Hello, ferrite rod coupling inductor, I dont understand

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The discussion revolves around the understanding of ferrite rod coils, their function as transformers, and the calculation of coupling inductors in circuits, particularly in the context of radio frequency applications. Participants explore concepts related to tuning, impedance, and circuit design without reaching a consensus on specific formulas or methodologies.

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  • One participant questions whether ferrite rod coils function as transformers and seeks clarification on the relevant formulas for calculations.
  • Another participant suggests that the circuit involves tuning with one coil while taking the signal from another, but admits uncertainty about the calculations involved.
  • Some participants express difficulty in understanding the original question and request specific examples or circuit diagrams for clarity.
  • There is mention of a regenerative receiver circuit, which utilizes a ferrite rod to create a tuned antenna with positive feedback, but the focus shifts to coupling inductors and their turns.
  • One participant suggests that if help is not forthcoming, consulting offline resources or libraries with historical electronics literature may be beneficial.
  • Participants discuss the implications of regenerative setups on the sensitivity of tuned circuits and the need for different schematics in such cases.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific calculations or methodologies for determining the turns of coupling inductors. There is a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the concepts, with some participants expressing limitations in their knowledge.

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Participants indicate a lack of clarity on the calculations involved and the specific configurations of the circuits discussed. The conversation reflects varying levels of expertise and understanding among participants.

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hi to everybody,

can somebody tell me, ferrit rod coils, is a transformer?
if yes how do you calculate? what is the formula

how you select the coupling inductor L2 or L3...

because like i read the maing inductor must connect to capacitor(for frequency to find min and max i understand)
but what about L2 or L3 is the output ferrit rod

So now how is formula ? is transformer,
i find very importand for me thanks..
 
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It is difficult to understand what you are asking. Do you have a specific example? If so, please show what you do understand, and what you are having trouble with in the circuit.
 
Is this about your previous ferrite rod antenna topic?

The answer is a kind of 'yes'. That's why you can tune with one coil, and take the signal from the other (with the first coil designed for selectivity, ant the other is for the required impedance of the following amplifier stage).

However, I don't know how should it be calculated since it is not really my area.
 
scottdave said:
It is difficult to understand what you are asking. Do you have a specific example? If so, please show what you do understand, and what you are having trouble with in the circuit.
yes i have
here the circuit
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Rive said:
Is this about your previous ferrite rod antenna topic?

The answer is a kind of 'yes'. That's why you can tune with one coil, and take the signal from the other (with the first coil designed for selectivity, ant the other is for the required impedance of the following amplifier stage).

However, I don't know how should it be calculated since it is not really my area.
so is kind of transformer, i know the main coil with vc, but the oupling i don't understand, can you show me one example please?
 
As I said, it's just not my area, I can't help.

If you could not get help so far, then I would suggest an old style 'offline' library with a decent collection of books about electronics from 50' to 60' or so.
Sometimes there is no help on the internet.
 
This circuit is an example of a regenerative receiver which was popular back in the 1940s or so (when radio tubes were expensive). The circuit around the ferrite rod creates a tuned antenna with a slight positive feedback trough Q1. L1 and CV is the tuning part. Q2 isolates the Radio Frequency part from the Audio Frequency part. D1, C3 and R6 is the AM (Amplitude Modulation) demodulator.
 
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Svein said:
This circuit is an example of a regenerative receiver which was popular back in the 1940s or so (when radio tubes were expensive). The circuit around the ferrite rod creates a tuned antenna with a slight positive feedback trough Q1. L1 and CV is the tuning part. Q2 isolates the Radio Frequency part from the Audio Frequency part. D1, C3 and R6 is the AM (Amplitude Modulation) demodulator.
ok, so we leave regenerativ, for example if we want coupling L2 only main with vc resonant and coupling how to know how many turns?
 
Rive said:
As I said, it's just not my area, I can't help.

If you could not get help so far, then I would suggest an old style 'offline' library with a decent collection of books about electronics from 50' to 60' or so.
Sometimes there is no help on the internet.
exactly i search a lot...before i asking in forum
 
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michael1978 said:
ok, so we leave regenerativ, for example if we want coupling L2 only main with vc resonant and coupling how to know how many turns?
The regenerative setup changes the sensitivity of the tuned circuit, therefore you need another schematic.
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Svein said:
The regenerative setup changes the sensitivity of the tuned circuit, therefore you need another schematic.
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Thankss man
 

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