Effect of distance on jet force

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effect of distance on the force exerted by a fluid jet impacting a mass scale. Participants explore the implications of turbulent flow and gravitational effects on the measurements obtained from the scale, considering both theoretical and practical scenarios.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether increasing the distance between the nozzle and the scale would affect the mass reading, suggesting that steady flow might keep the reading constant if the fluid is incompressible.
  • Another participant proposes that if the fluid is falling under gravity, the change in height could add kinetic energy and momentum to the fluid particles, potentially affecting the reading on the scale.
  • A later reply considers the scenario of a high-speed jet of water, noting that the velocity may decrease to a terminal velocity and the jet could break up into droplets, leading to a wider area of impact on the ground.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how distance and gravitational effects influence the measurements, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of turbulent flow and gravitational effects on the mass reading, leaving several assumptions and conditions unaddressed.

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Homework Statement


Apologies for the vague title but I'm not sure how else I could word it, also this isn't really a homework question per se however I'm not too sure where else to ask it.

I think it would help if i set up a scenario. Say there was a pipe that released a fluid to a mass scale underneath the nozzle x meters away and got a reading of 5kg. If the distance between the nozzle and the scale was increased would we expect the reading to change? Assume turbulent flow.

Homework Equations


Mass reading = (density*average flow velocity^2*A)/g

The Attempt at a Solution


I would say no but I'm not sure. If the fluid was incompressible then steady flow would be in effect and the mass would remain constant thus the balance should show the same reading but I feel there's more to it. Once the fluid has left the pipe it no longer feels the driving force of the pump so there's like an acceleration gradient in the jet..wouldn't that mess up the steady flow?

Any help will be appreciated, thank you.
 
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Is it possible that by "mass scale" you are intending a weight scale or force or pressure measuring device of some sort)? In other words, something to determine the average force on a surface due to the fluid impacting it?

Is the fluid traveling in a vertical direction under the influence of gravity? If so, consider that the change in height will add kinetic energy and hence momentum to every particle (or differential volume unit) of the fluid as it falls through the gravitational field.
 
gneill said:
Is it possible that by "mass scale" you are intending a weight scale or force or pressure measuring device of some sort)? In other words, something to determine the average force on a surface due to the fluid impacting it?

Is the fluid traveling in a vertical direction under the influence of gravity? If so, consider that the change in height will add kinetic energy and hence momentum to every particle (or differential volume unit) of the fluid as it falls through the gravitational field.

Yeah that's what I meant. That's an awesome point, can't believe I didn't think of that haha.

Thank you.
 
I'm trying to picture a high speed jet of water directed downwards from a significant height. The velocity will slow down to a terminal velocity, and I expect the stream will break up into myriad globules. This means it must spread out. So I think it will reach the ground over a wide area as a dense shower like raindrops.
 
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