Effect of EMF in a wire as opposed to a metal chassis?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of electromagnetic fields (EMF) in a wire and how these effects differ when a metal chassis is introduced. Participants explore the induction of currents in both scenarios, considering the implications of pulsating DC currents and the characteristics of eddy currents in conductive materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants mention that the induced current in a metal chassis due to a pulsating DC current is related to the phenomenon of eddy currents, which generate heat and electromagnetic forces.
  • It is noted that the induced current in the chassis will be similar to that in a single parallel wire, but the larger area of the chassis results in lower resistance, leading to a smaller voltage difference across it.
  • One participant suggests that at radio frequencies, a conductive chassis acts as a mirror, affecting the behavior of nearby wires by reflecting the induced currents in the opposite direction.
  • There is a consideration of how the presence of a chassis may reduce the current induced in a third wire compared to when only the first wire is present.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the nature of induced currents in wires versus a chassis, with some agreement on the concept of eddy currents but differing opinions on the implications and behaviors in specific scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully resolve the implications of the induced currents in relation to the chassis, and there are assumptions made about the behavior of currents at different frequencies that remain unexamined.

Planobilly
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Hi,
Consider a wire with a pulsating DC current next to another wire. The expanding and contraction magnetic field induces a current into the second wire.

Consider the same but in the second case we have a metal chassis. I assume the same magnetic field is inducing a current into the chassis.

Is the induced current dissipated as a function of the large metal chassis and if so how? Are there other considerations?

Thanks,

Billy
 
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The effect is usually called a eddy current. Pulsating DC is no longer simply DC, it has a fundamental component and harmonics. For a non-zero conductance it generates heat and electromagnetic forces.

 
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Planobilly said:
Consider the same but in the second case we have a metal chassis. I assume the same magnetic field is inducing a current into the chassis.
nsaspook said:
The effect is usually called a eddy current.
yes, think, iron core of a transformer
 
Planobilly said:
Is the induced current dissipated as a function of the large metal chassis and if so how?
The same current will be induced in the chassis as in a single parallel wire. But the relatively large area of the chassis means that it has a much lower resistance than a wire, so Ohms law says a much lower voltage difference will appear along the chassis than would appear along a parallel wire.

At radio frequencies a conductive chassis makes an excellent mirror. The current in a wire near the “ground plane” sees it's own reflection behind that reflective surface, but with a current flowing in the reverse direction.

A “third” wire near a ground plane will be affected by both the “first” wire and by it's reflection with the opposite direction current. The current induced in a third wire will therefore be less in the presence of the chassis than with the first wire alone.
 
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