Effect of saturation on transformer inductance

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The discussion revolves around the effect of core saturation on transformer inductance, exploring the theoretical and practical implications of this phenomenon. Participants seek to understand how saturation influences inductance, particularly in the context of transformer operation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that when a transformer core reaches saturation, the magnetizing inductance decreases, leading to spiky magnetizing currents.
  • One participant introduces equations related to inductance, flux, and reluctance, suggesting that the inductance can be expressed in terms of core properties and permeability.
  • Another participant explains that as the transformer enters the saturation region, the slope of the BH-curve decreases, which implies a reduction in permeability and consequently a decrease in inductance.
  • There is a focus on the distinction between total inductance and magnetizing inductance in the context of saturation effects.

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Participants express various viewpoints on how saturation affects inductance, with no consensus reached on the implications or interpretations of the equations presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall impact of saturation on transformer inductance.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings of the relationship between magnetic properties and inductance, as well as the dependence on specific definitions of inductance and saturation in different contexts.

EEstudent90
Hi all

How is the inductance affected when the transformer core has reached saturation? I can not seem to get my head around it, and I hope someone can help me understand it, thanks.

Kind wishes
 
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EEstudent90 said:
Hi all

How is the inductance affected when the transformer core has reached saturation? I can not seem to get my head around it, and I hope someone can help me understand it, thanks.

Kind wishes
Welcome to the PF. :smile:

What reading have you been doing so far? How is the hysteresis curve of B=μH related to your question?
 
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Welcome to PF!

When the transformer reaches saturation, its magnetizing inductance seen by the voltage source decreases, which makes the magnetizing current spiky.
See if this helps.
https://www.physicsforums.com/posts/5384970/
 
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From wikipedia, saturation is the following:
Seen in some magnetic materials, saturation is the state reached when an increase in applied external magnetic field H cannot increase the magnetization of the material further, so the total magnetic flux density B more or less levels off.

So how does saturation affect the inductance of a transformer?

Let us start by introducing a few equations. Inductance L is defined as
L = \frac{\phi}{I} (1)​
where \phi is the amount of flux inside the core and I is the current. \phi can also be written as
\phi = \frac{NI}{\mathcal{R}} (2)​
where NI is the number of turns multiplied with the current, also known as MMF (magnetomotive force) and \mathcal{R} is the reluctance of the magnetic core. Reluctance can be thought to be similar to resistance as in an electrical circuit, see equation (2) which is analogous to Ohm's law but for magnetic circuits.

Reluctance can be written as
\mathcal{R} = \frac{l}{\mu _0 \mu _r A} (3)​
where l is length of the core, the product, \mu _0 \mu _r = \mu, is the permeability of the material and A is the cross sectional area of the core, see figure below.

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If we use equation (2) and plug it into equation (1) we get
L = \frac{N}{\mathcal{R}} (4)​
and if we now put equation (3) into (4) we get
L = \frac{N}{l/(\mu _0 \mu _r A)} = \frac{N \mu _0 \mu _r A}{l} (5)​

So how does this help us? If we look at equation (5) everything appear to be constants, but take a look at this picture (it’s commonly referred to as BH-curve, look it up if you are not familiar with it):
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If I now tell you that the slope of these curves in the linear regions is equal to the permeability. So when we go into the saturation region, our slope becomes very small. If we now look back to equation (5) we can see that if our permeability (slope) decreases, our inductance also decreases. Look at the picture below to see how the magnetizing current of a transformer is affected when you enter the saturation region.
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Did I answer your question? If not let me know.

EDIT: I should emphasize that it is the magnetizing inductance we are talking about.
 
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Thank you for the welcome :)

I am very new to this so I will have to look at all the replies carefully before I ask any new questions, thanks!
 
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