Effective Resistance Across Concentric Circuit

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The discussion revolves around finding the effective resistance across a circuit formed by concentric squares, specifically from two diagonally opposite points on the outer square. The problem involves an infinite arrangement of squares and the resistances associated with them.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss current analysis and the implications of resistance in various branches of the circuit. There are questions about the configuration of resistors, the nature of connections between squares, and the potential differences across certain points.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the circuit's behavior. Some have offered insights into the effective resistance calculations, while others are questioning the assumptions regarding potential differences and current flow in specific segments of the circuit.

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Participants are working under the assumption that all resistors are identical and that the wires are of a constant material. There is some confusion regarding the layout of the squares and the implications of potential differences in certain areas of the circuit.

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Find the effective resistance across this circuit from two diagonally opposite points on the outer squarehttp://aiminghigh.aimssec.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/7squares.gif (I took the image off google it isn't exactly a circuit but its the correct orientation) given that the squares go on to infinity.

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I tried to do current analysis which would effectively eliminate the squares in the centre past the second square but upon checking with my teacher, he said that that will not yield the correct answer.
 
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Are there supposed to be two resistors per side, and the inner squares are connected in between? Are the resistors all identical?
 
Sorry I forgot. Assume the wires to be of a constant material thus length of the largest square to be of resistance R. Yes they are all connected such that the corner of each square bisects the length of the larger square.
 
So what are your ideas about this problem?
 
Firstly I apologize for the bad image as I don't know how to properly photo edit things.

Now, I started off by taking using A and B as start and end points, respectively.
Upon entering A, the current will split into the two branches. At C, the current would have gone through a resistance of R/2 and at D the current would have gone through a resistance of R/2 as well. This means that potential difference across CD is 0 and so I essentially did not consider CD as part of my working.

After C, the current will split and go to E. the branch connecting to the corner of the big triangle would be a series of two 0.5R wires. the other branch would be a resistance of sqrt(2)R/2 by pythagoras theorem which is in parallel to the two 0.5R wires and will reconnect at E. Similarly, after D the same would happen and connect at F. So potential difference of EF is also 0 so I also did not consider EF as well.

From E to B and F to B, they are essentially 0.5R wires in parallel.
 

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You are quite correct in observing that CD and EF have no potential difference. What about CE and DF?
 
As I have mentioned above, probably not clearly, I took into account that the resistance of CE and DF is simply sqrt(2)R/2 and R in parallel. This gives an effective resistance of sqrt(2)/(sqrt(2) + 2) across CE and DF
 
I am not entirely sure I understand what you mean by "effective resistance across CE and DF". Anyway, think about this.

Let's label the the inner square's vertices as A' (bottom left), G' (top left), B' (top right) and H' (bottom right).

Is there potential difference between A' and B'? Between G' and H'?
 
I meant that consider that between node C and node E is a parallel of circuit, by which one branch has a resistance of R while the other branch has a resistance of sqrt(2)R/2.

I'm sorry, by inner square do you mean the second largest square? or the largest square in black. If its the earlier, what do you mean by bottom left and top left. (Does bottom left refer to the point at D?)
 
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I meant the biggest black square.
 
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I would not think so since current does not flow in CD of EF?
 
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A'G'B'H' and inner squares together are a conductor. Current can flow through it. So if there is a potential difference between A' and B' or between G' and H', it will.
 
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But then assuming the current flows from A to B and CD and EF has no potential difference, how does the current get into the black square in the first place?
 
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Look at this circuit.

Would current flow through its extreme left to its extreme right (or vice versa)?

Observe there is no potential difference between A and B, nor between C and D.
 

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