Effective Reynolds Number for a swept wing

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effective Reynolds number for a swept wing and its implications on boundary layer thickness, particularly comparing it to an unswept wing scenario. Participants explore theoretical aspects of fluid dynamics in the context of both infinite straight wings and flat plates under varying angles of sweep.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes three definitions for Reynolds number when analyzing a swept wing: the unswept wing Re, the Re normal to the leading edge, and the Re parallel to the flow.
  • Another participant introduces a simpler scenario with a flat plate and questions how the boundary layer thickness at the trailing edge would change when the plate is swept, seeking clarity on which Reynolds number definition would be most appropriate.
  • A third participant notes that a swept flat plate behaves differently than a swept wing due to the presence of spanwise pressure gradients in the latter.
  • Further discussion highlights the need to minimize spanwise/chordwise gradients in the flat plate scenario and questions the validity of applying the same boundary layer thickness formula to both swept and unswept cases.
  • There is curiosity about the effects on boundary layer thickness when sweeping a flat plate from 0 to 45 or 60 degrees and whether a specific Reynolds number could predict the results without altering the formula used for the unswept case.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate Reynolds number to use for swept wings and flat plates, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved regarding the effects of sweep on boundary layer characteristics.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that using the same formula for boundary layer thickness in swept and unswept cases lacks theoretical basis, which introduces uncertainty in the discussion.

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Suppose we have an infinite straight wing, using a given airfoil. Also, suppose for simplicity the B.L. is completely turbulent, and M<<1 (incompressible fluid).

As we know, the forces per unit length are: L=q⋅c⋅cl, D=q⋅c⋅cd, where cl and cd are the coefficients of the 2D airfoil for the given Re and α.

Now, if we rotate the infinite wing of an angle Λ, we have an infinite swept wing.

The theory says that in this case, the forces per unit length (parallel to leading edge) become: L=q⋅cos2Λ⋅c⋅cl, D=q⋅cos2Λ⋅c⋅cd.

Here is my question:

when looking up the cl and cd for the 2D airfoil, should we use:

.) the Re for the unswept wing: Re=U⋅c/ν

.) the Re normal to leading edge: Re=U⋅cosΛ⋅c/ν

.) the Re parallel to the flow: Re=U⋅(c/cosΛ)/ν
 
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Ok, meanwhile a simpler example came to my mind.

Consider a flat plate of infinite length and chord c at zero incidence. Incompressible flow and 100% turbulent B.L.

In this case, we know that, for example, the thickness of the B.L. at the trailing edge will be δ=f(Re).

Now we rotate the flat plate of angle Λ.

What will the new B.L. thickness be at the trailing edge? What Re does it make sense to use between the 3 options given above?
 
I'll make a few comments here. First, a swept flat plat behaves very differently than a swept wing. The latter has spanwise pressure gradients. The former does not.

Second, for a wing swept at a fixed ##\Lambda##, do you expect the Reynolds number trends to change whether it (a constant) is included in the Reynolds number or not?
 
hi bone3ead,

yes, I realized the two cases are different. Let's consider the simpler example of the flat plate. In this case, the spanwise/chordwise gradients should be minimized.

I was wondering, for the experiment described above, which one between the three Re definitions, would give the closest results to the actual B.L. thickness at the trailing edge in the swept flat plate, _in the hypothesis_ that we use the same formula for the B.L. thickness in the two cases (swept/unswept).

I know that using the same formula has no theoretical basis at all, and could (intuitively) only be reasonable if the B.L. characteristics are not much changed, hence the hypothesis of the flat plate which should minimize spanwise effects.

In other words, I'd be curious to know what would happen at the thickness of the B.L. if we sweep a flat plate from 0 to say 45 or 60 degrees, and if there is a new specific Re that can predict the result without changing the formula used for the unswept flat plate.
 

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