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The discussion revolves around the integral ∫x/(1+ex) dx, exploring methods of solving it and the nature of its solutions. Participants express uncertainty about their mathematical skills and seek guidance on the topic, which involves advanced functions like the polylogarithm.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in solving the integral and seeks help.
  • Another participant asserts that the integral cannot be solved in terms of elementary functions and mentions the polylogarithm as necessary for a solution.
  • A participant requests a demonstration of how to solve the integral using the polylogarithm.
  • There is a suggestion that integration by parts could be used, but this is challenged by another participant who states it won't work for this integral.
  • A participant confirms having a basic background in complex analysis, which may relate to understanding the polylogarithm.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the integral cannot be solved using elementary functions, but there is disagreement on the applicability of integration by parts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific method of using the polylogarithm.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about their mathematical skills and the complexity of the integral, indicating a potential gap in foundational knowledge that may affect their understanding of the proposed solutions.

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i just found this and try to solve.. but then since i left all of these for many years, so i can't remember some of the ways..

i will keep thinking of this because I'm not able to solve it.. and this make me suffer..

∫ x / (1 + ex) dx


please help me to solve this.. :)
 
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You can't solve this. This integral cannot be solved in terms of elementary functions. Specifically, you need the polylogarithm to solve this.
 
micromass said:
You can't solve this. This integral cannot be solved in terms of elementary functions. Specifically, you need the polylogarithm to solve this.

ohh... i see... thank you micromass...
but if you want to.. can you show how to solve this by using the polylogarithm? :)
 
all-black said:
ohh... i see... thank you micromass...
but if you want to.. can you show how to solve this by using the polylogarithm? :)

Do you have any background in complex analysis?
 
Number Nine said:
Do you have any background in complex analysis?

yess.. but not so deep.. just a basic of complex analysis..
 
this problem cannot be solved normally. you can use integration by parts

integration by parts is this: ∫ u dv = u.v - ∫ v du
 
What do you mean by that? "Integration by parts" is a normal integration method. And won't work here. As micromass said, that cannot be integrated in terms of elementary functions.
 
all-black said:
ohh... i see... thank you micromass...
but if you want to.. can you show how to solve this by using the polylogarithm? :)

If you know the polylogarithm functions, then the formal result is :
 

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