Egg drop experiment with a twist

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The discussion revolves around a modified egg drop experiment where participants are tasked with calculating the necessary length of a bungee cord to prevent an egg from touching the ground after being dropped from a height. The problem involves concepts of potential and kinetic energy, as well as the characteristics of the bungee cord's force function.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to apply energy conservation principles but encounters difficulties with the integral limits in their calculations. They question the correct setup for their force function and the relationship between the bungee cord's extension and the drop height.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's approach, suggesting reconsideration of the integral limits and the definition of variables. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the modulus of elasticity and alternative methods for calculating energy without the need for integration.

Contextual Notes

The original poster lacks the modulus of elasticity for the bungee cord, which may impact their ability to apply certain equations effectively. There is also uncertainty regarding the correct definition of variables and limits in their calculations.

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Hello,
My physics class is doing the classic egg drop experiment, but with a different twist.
We are asked to find the length of the bungee cord needed given a mass and a height to drop it from. The success of the lab is determined by how close we can get to the ground without touching.
We are using a single bungee cord, and not multiple bungees.
This is a common question here, but I haven't been able to determine the equations to use to determine what I need.

I have tried using U1 + K1 = U2 + K2 +Uspring
Where U1 is the initial potential energy (mgh1)
K1 is the initial kinetic energy (K1 = 0)
U2 is the final kinetic energy (mgh2 with h2 being the closest distance off the ground)
K2 is the final kinetic energy (K2 = 0)
And Uspring is the integral of Force with respect to distance F(x) from 0 to the unstretched bungee length - h2

Our F(x) function is 2.823 - 6.696x + 31.64x^2 - 110.9x^3 + 177.3x^4 - 103.3x^5
This is the characteristic that our bungee follows.

Using this, I get the correct value, if the egg wasn't dropped, but rather if the egg was just hanging there.

My question is, what am I doing wrong? and what equations/principles could I use to determine the length of the string that I need?
 
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Are your limits in your integral correct? Think about how you have defined x.
 
Zatman said:
Are your limits in your integral correct? Think about how you have defined x.

Should I define it from the unstretched length to the height off the ground? I know that the integral gives me the work done by the bungee, so it would make sense, but I am out of the lab now, and have no way of testing this.
 
I would imagine you have x defined as the extension of the string, but I don't really know where your equation for F(x) has come from so I can't tell if this is the case or not.

Do you know the modulus of elasticity, \lambda, of the string? If yes then you can just use

E.P.E = \frac{\lambda e^2}{2l}

where e is the extension. This would be a lot easier and you woudn't need to use an integral.

If you don't know \lambda then assuming your equation for F(x) is correct with x as the extension, you would want to integrate over the entire extension, i.e. x=0 to the distance from where the string first goes taut to the bottom, h_1 - h_2 - l, where l is the natural (unstretched) length of the string. Draw a diagram to help you see this. :)
 
Thank you. I will try this and see if it works. Unfortunately I don't know the modulus of elasticity, but I will try integrating it :)
 

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