Eigenspaces and geometric reasoning

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The discussion revolves around finding the standard matrix of a reflection transformation in the Euclidean plane and determining its eigenvalues and corresponding eigenspaces. The original poster attempts to understand how geometric reasoning can simplify the identification of eigenvalues and eigenspaces related to the transformation.

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  • Participants discuss the geometric interpretation of eigenvalues and eigenspaces, particularly in the context of reflection. Questions arise about identifying vectors that remain unchanged under the transformation and how to relate these to the eigenvalues.

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Participants are exploring various interpretations of eigenvalues and eigenspaces, with some suggesting that vectors along the line of reflection correspond to eigenvalue 1, while others note that vectors perpendicular to this line correspond to eigenvalue -1. There is recognition that eigenvectors are not unique, leading to a discussion about the nature of eigenspaces.

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There is an emphasis on the use of geometric reasoning to find eigenvalues and eigenspaces, with participants questioning the definitions and properties of these concepts in the context of linear transformations.

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Homework Statement


Let T be the reflection about the line 6x + 1y = 0 in the euclidean plane. Find the standard matrix A of T. Then, write down one of the eigenvalues and its corresponding eigenspace (in the form span {[ ]}). Then, find the other eigenvalue of A and its corresponding eigenspace.

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I found the matrix T of the transformation, which is:

(-35/37 -12/37)
(-12/37 35/35)

I actually found the eigenvalues for the matrix T by finding the characteristic polynomial (they are -1, 1) and then equating to 0 and solve the homogeneous system. However, I was told that i can use "geometric reasoning" to find the answer quickly, and I have no idea where to start using it to find the eigenvalues and eigenspaces (firstly, what do they represent in this case)?

Thank you.
 
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If T is a linear transformation, then the eigenvalue equation reads
$$T \vec v = \lambda \vec v$$
This means precisely that ##\vec v## is a direction that will be unaffected by the transformation - applying T to it will give back the same vector up to scalar prefactors.

So can you think of a vector that will not change if you reflect it about 6x + y = 0?
 
You want the matrix
[tex]\begin{pmatrix}a & b \\ c & d\end{pmatrix}[/tex]
satisfying two properties:
[tex]\begin{pmatrix}a & b\\ c & d \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}x \\ 6x\end{pmatrix}= \begin{pmatrix}0 \\ 0\end{pmatrix}[/tex]
for any x, and
[tex]\begin{pmatrix}a & b\\ c & d \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}-6y \\ y\end{pmatrix}= \begin{pmatrix}6y \\ -y\end{pmatrix}[/tex]
for any y.

Do you see why?
 
CompuChip said:
If T is a linear transformation, then the eigenvalue equation reads
$$T \vec v = \lambda \vec v$$
This means precisely that ##\vec v## is a direction that will be unaffected by the transformation - applying T to it will give back the same vector up to scalar prefactors.

So can you think of a vector that will not change if you reflect it about 6x + y = 0?
I think they would be vectors that go along the line y = -6x. However, how can we find the eigen values in this case?

HallsofIvy said:
You want the matrix
[tex]\begin{pmatrix}a & b \\ c & d\end{pmatrix}[/tex]
satisfying two properties:
[tex]\begin{pmatrix}a & b\\ c & d \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}x \\ 6x\end{pmatrix}= \begin{pmatrix}0 \\ 0\end{pmatrix}[/tex]
for any x, and
[tex]\begin{pmatrix}a & b\\ c & d \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}-6y \\ y\end{pmatrix}= \begin{pmatrix}6y \\ -y\end{pmatrix}[/tex]
for any y.

Do you see why?

How does this relate to eigenvalues and eigenspaces though? And how can we establish those two propositions that you stated? (aren't eigenvalues the solution to the homogeneous system Av - cv = 0?
 
fogvajarash said:
I think they would be vectors that go along the line y = -6x. However, how can we find the eigen values in this case?

Yes, and if a vector doesn't change under the reflection, wouldn't that mean it's eigenvalue is 1? And under a reflection some vectors will change into their negatives, yes? Which would those be and what would their eigenvalues be? I think this the 'geometric reasoning' part of the exercise.
 
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Dick said:
Yes, and if a vector doesn't change under the reflection, wouldn't that mean it's eigenvalue is 1? And under a reflection some vectors will change into their negatives, yes? Which would those be and what would their eigenvalues be? I think this the 'geometric reasoning' part of the exercise.

Okay i kind of get it (the other vector literally gets rotated by pi degrees so its negative is the same vector. However, can't we as well have have another eigenvalue of 1 with direction (1 -6)? The answers are -1 and eigenspace (1 1/6) and 1 and eigenspace (-1 6). Can't we have more combinations of these?

Thank you.
 
fogvajarash said:
Okay i kind of get it (the other vector literally gets rotated by pi degrees so its negative is the same vector. However, can't we as well have have another eigenvalue of 1 with direction (1 -6)? The answers are -1 and eigenspace (1 1/6) and 1 and eigenspace (-1 6). Can't we have more combinations of these?

Thank you.

Eigenvectors aren't unique. If (-1 6) is an eigenvector with eigenvalue 1 then k*(-1 6) is also an eigenvector with eigenvalue 1 for any constant k. The set of all such vectors is what the eigenspace means. (1 -6) is (-1)*(-1 6). It doesn't define a different eigenspace.
 
Dick said:
Eigenvectors aren't unique. If (-1 6) is an eigenvector with eigenvalue 1 then k*(-1 6) is also an eigenvector with eigenvalue 1 for any constant k. The set of all such vectors is what the eigenspace means. (1 -6) is (-1)*(-1 6). It doesn't define a different eigenspace.

So we can simply state that any scalar of that vector is the eigenspace for that eigenvalue? (As well for the second vector with the other eigenvalue of -1)
 
fogvajarash said:
So we can simply state that any scalar of that vector is the eigenspace for that eigenvalue? (As well for the second vector with the other eigenvalue of -1)

Better to say "any multiple of that vector" rather than "any scalar of that vector", but yes.
 
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or "scalar multiple of that vector".
 

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