Can You Solve for the Positive Definite Matrix with Eigenvalues 1 and 2?

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The discussion revolves around finding a positive definite matrix with specified eigenvalues of λ=1 and λ=2. Participants explore the properties of positive definite matrices and their characteristic polynomials in the context of linear algebra.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the eigenvalues on the matrix's structure, questioning the assumptions about the matrix entries. They explore the relationship between eigenvalues, determinants, and traces, as well as the conditions for positive definiteness.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the assumptions made regarding the matrix entries and eigenvalues. Some guidance has been provided regarding the characteristic polynomial and the conditions for positive definiteness, but no consensus has been reached on the specific matrix form.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of explicit conditions regarding the multiplicity of the eigenvalues or whether they are the only eigenvalues. The discussion also touches on the distinction between symmetric and non-symmetric matrices in the context of positive definiteness.

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Homework Statement


a positive definite matrix has eigenvalues λ=1 and λ=2. find the matrix

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I've used a 2x2 matrix with entries a0,a1,a2,a3 as the unknown matrix but no use. (As little as i know a0 and a3 should be 1 and 2 respectively; corresponding to the eigenvalues) Any ideas on how to solve this?
 
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johnny blaz said:

Homework Statement


a positive definite matrix has eigenvalues λ=1 and λ=2. find the matrix

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I've used a 2x2 matrix with entries a0,a1,a2,a3 as the unknown matrix but no use. (As little as i know a0 and a3 should be 1 and 2 respectively; corresponding to the eigenvalues) Any ideas on how to solve this?
The fact, that the matrix is ##2\times 2## should be in the list of conditions I guess.
Start at the beginning: What does it mean for ##\begin{pmatrix}a && b \\ c && d \end{pmatrix}## to be positive definite?
(I find this notation easier in this case for I'll have to type less indices.)
Can you really assume already ##a=1## and ##d = 2##? What do you really know about ##λ_1 \cdot λ_2 = 2## and ##λ_1 + λ_2=3## with respect to the characteristic polynomial?
 
fresh_42 said:
The fact, that the matrix is ##2\times 2## should be in the list of conditions I guess.
Start at the beginning: What does it mean for ##\begin{pmatrix}a && b \\ c && d \end{pmatrix}## to be positive definite?
(I find this notation easier in this case for I'll have to type less indices.)
Can you really assume already ##a=1## and ##d = 2##? What do you really know about ##λ_1 \cdot λ_2 = 2## and ##λ_1 + λ_2=3## with respect to the characteristic polynomial?
I've assumed it to be a 2x2 matrix as a positive 2x2 matrix would have only two eigenvalues. No other conditions are provided for this problem...
 
johnny blaz said:
I've assumed it to be a 2x2 matrix as a positive 2x2 matrix would have only two eigenvalues. No other conditions are provided for this problem...
Yes, but you have not mentioned whether ##1## and ##2## are the only eigenvalues nor their multiplicity. Anyway, can you answer my questions?
 
johnny blaz said:

Homework Statement


a positive definite matrix has eigenvalues λ=1 and λ=2. find the matrix

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I've used a 2x2 matrix with entries a0,a1,a2,a3 as the unknown matrix but no use. (As little as i know a0 and a3 should be 1 and 2 respectively; corresponding to the eigenvalues) Any ideas on how to solve this?

The concepts of "definiteness" (positive, negative, semi-, etc) apply to symmetric matrices, so your matrix has three unknown parameters in it:
A = \pmatrix{a & b \\b & c}
Its characteristic polynomial is a quadratic function of ##\lambda## having roots 1 and 2. What does that tell you about ##a,b,c##?

Why would you think that your ##a_0## and ##a_3## should be 1 and 2 (or 2 and 1)?
 
Ray Vickson said:
The concepts of "definiteness" (positive, negative, semi-, etc) apply to symmetric matrices, ...
This is not necessary to be positive definite. The definition applies to all bilinear forms and every quadratic matrix defines one.
(I'm not quite sure whether I have made some mistake or not, but my solution isn't symmetric. The elements on the second diagonal may cancel out.)
 
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fresh_42 said:
The fact, that the matrix is ##2\times 2## should be in the list of conditions I guess.
Start at the beginning: What does it mean for ##\begin{pmatrix}a && b \\ c && d \end{pmatrix}## to be positive definite?
(I find this notation easier in this case for I'll have to type less indices.)
Can you really assume already ##a=1## and ##d = 2##? What do you really know about ##λ_1 \cdot λ_2 = 2## and ##λ_1 + λ_2=3## with respect to the characteristic polynomial?
The product of eigenvalues is equal to the determinant of a matrix, and the sum of eigenvalues is equal to the trace. and the determinant of a 2 × 2 matrix A − λI can be written as:
λ^2 − (trace)λ + determinant = 0
 
johnny blaz said:
The product of eigenvalues is equal to the determinant of a matrix, and the sum of eigenvalues is equal to the trace. and the determinant of a 2 × 2 matrix A − λI can be written as:
λ^2 − (trace)λ + determinant = 0
Correct. So the characteristic polynomial has to be ##char(t) = t^2-3t+2 = \det\begin{pmatrix}a-t && b \\ c && d-t\end{pmatrix}.##
(I've changed the variable to ##t## because you already used ##λ## for the eigenvalues, i.e. the solutions of ##char(t)=0.##)
Furthermore the definition of positive definiteness means, that ##(x,y)\begin{pmatrix}a && b \\ c && d\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}x \\ y\end{pmatrix} > 0## for all possible values of ##x,y## where not both are ##0.##
These conditions, if written out, can be used to calculate possible values of ##a,b,c,d##. And there is an obvious solution to it and another one.
 
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Correct. So the characteristic polynomial has to be ##char(t) = t^2-3t+2 = \det\begin{pmatrix}a-t && b \\ c && d-t\end{pmatrix}.##
(I've changed the variable to ##t## because you already used ##λ## for the eigenvalues, i.e. the solutions of ##char(t)=0.##)
Furthermore the definition of positive definiteness means, that ##(x,y)\begin{pmatrix}a && b \\ c && d\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}x \\ y\end{pmatrix} > 0## for all possible values of ##x,y## where not both are ##0.##
These conditions, if written out, can be used to calculate possible values of ##a,b,c,d##. And there is an obvious solution to it and another one.

Whether or not the 'definiteness' concept applies generally, or only to symmetric matrices, is a point of disagreement in the literature.

Anyway, one can reduce the general form for matrix ##B## to the equivalent symmetric form ##A = (1/2) B + (1/2) B^T##, get the general symmetric solution, then deal with the multitude of solutions to ##b_{12} + b_{21} = 2 a_{12}##. There are still infinitely many symmetric solutions, but all satisfying some specific relationships between ##a_{11} , a_{12} = a_{21}## and ##a_{22}##..
 
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Thank you all for helping me out :smile:
 

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