Eigenvalue method for solving system of differential equations

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of differential equations using the eigenvalue method, where the user encounters discrepancies between solutions derived from two eigenvectors. Despite confirming one solution with Wolfram Alpha, the user is confused about the differing results and the concept of using linear combinations of eigenvectors. Clarifications indicate that real-valued solutions can be obtained from either eigenvector by applying Euler's formula, and that only one eigenvector is necessary for a solution. A specific correction regarding the substitution of an eigenvalue is suggested to align the results from both attempts. The user expresses newfound understanding about the process after receiving this guidance.
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Here is the question along with my work. I attempted to solve for the actual solution using both eigenvectors. From what I have been taught it should yield the same answer... But as you can see (circled in red) the solutions are clearly different. Is this normal or maybe because I am making an algebra mistake?

I know for sure the solution in attempt 1 is correct because that is what wolfram alpha gives me. But attempt 2 for some reason has a different answer.
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I really don't understand what you mean by "solving with V1" and "solving with V2". The general solution, from which you get the solution with the given initial values, must be a linear combination of V1 and[ V2. You cannot get a solution from either one alone.
 
HallsofIvy said:
I really don't understand what you mean by "solving with V1" and "solving with V2". The general solution, from which you get the solution with the given initial values, must be a linear combination of V1 and[ V2. You cannot get a solution from either one alone.

This is not true. You can retrieve a real valued solution from either x^{(1)} or x^{(2)} by taking the real parts of either one by using Euler's formula.
 
Zondrina said:
This is not true. You can retrieve a real valued solution from either x^{(1)} or x^{(2)} by taking the real parts of either one by using Euler's formula.

Yup, take a look at the first example from Pauls notes. They said you only need one eigenvector:

http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/DE/ComplexEigenvalues.aspx

So am I doung something wrong or am I suppose to get a slightly different answer?
 
In your solution with v_2, you should have substituted \mu = -3\sqrt 3 into the your formula. Since \sin(-3\sqrt3 t) = - \sin(3 \sqrt 3 t), the result is that every term multiplied by \sin (3 \sqrt3 t) has the wrong sign.

Make that correction and you should get the same result as with v_1.
 
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Zondrina said:
This is not true. You can retrieve a real valued solution from either x^{(1)} or x^{(2)} by taking the real parts of either one by using Euler's formula.

Wow! After doing these for such a long time I did not know that. I always thought you just took the magnitude of the eigenvalue... At least that's what it looked like in the generic formula I wrote and copied from the professor.

Thanks!
 
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