Eigenvectors with at least one positive component

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The discussion revolves around the phase of complex eigenvectors, particularly in the context of discrete unitary matrices and their applications in physics. Participants explore the implications of fixing the phase of eigenvectors to achieve at least one positive real component, and whether such a choice has special significance in mathematical or physical contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if there is a systematic way to fix the phase of complex eigenvectors, suggesting that certain forms, like (1, ω, ω²), feel special due to having a real positive component.
  • Another participant points out that any eigenvector can be normalized to have one component equal to 1, which is real and positive, but does not address the significance of the phase choice.
  • A third participant notes that the phase of an eigenvector is arbitrary and discusses the implications of fixing the amplitude and phase in practical situations, suggesting that it lacks mathematical significance.
  • A later reply clarifies that the participant is studying representations of discrete groups in physics and finds a phase convention with one positive real component appealing, questioning its mathematical significance.
  • One participant hypothesizes that for a special unitary matrix, it may be possible to choose a phase convention such that all components of the eigenvector have phases that are multiples of the eigenvalue.
  • This hypothesis is later modified to state that for a discrete unitary matrix, there exists a basis and phase convention where eigenvector components can be expressed in a specific form involving integer multiples of a phase related to the eigenvalues.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of fixing the phase of eigenvectors, with some suggesting it may have practical implications while others argue it lacks mathematical importance. The discussion includes competing hypotheses regarding the phase conventions for eigenvectors of discrete unitary matrices, and no consensus is reached on the validity of these hypotheses.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the nature of eigenvalues and eigenvectors in the context of unitary matrices, and the implications of phase choices are not fully resolved. There are also dependencies on the definitions of terms like "special unitary matrix" and "discrete unitary matrix" that are not explicitly clarified.

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I am wondering if there is a systematic way to fix the phase of complex eigenvectors. For example e^{i \theta}(1,\omega,\omega^2) where e^{i \theta} is an arbitrary phase and \omega and \omega^2 are the cube roots of unity, is an eigenvector of the cyclic matrix \left(\begin{matrix}0& 1&0\\0&0&1\\1&0&0\end{matrix}\right). But I feel that (1,\omega,\omega^2) and equivalently (\omega,\omega^2,1) and (\omega^2,1,\omega) are somehow special because one of the components is real and positive. Is there some special name for such a choice of phase? Any reference will be greatly appreciated.
 
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I am not sure what you really want, but any eigenvector has at least one nonzero component, call it a. Dividing the vector with a gives an eigenvector such that (at least) one of its components is 1, which is real and positive.
 
The phase of an eigenvector is arbitrary, whether it is real or complex.

If you are finding the solution to some problem as a linear combination of eigenvectors ##\sum_i a_i \phi_i##, you could say that each "component' ##a_k \phi_k## has a definite phase (and magnitude) because the numerical value of ##a_k## depends on the arbitrary choice for the phase of the corresponding ##\phi_k##.

In some practical situations you might choose to fix the amplitude and phase of an eigenvector in an arbitrary way (e.g. by making the biggest component of the vector = +1) but doing that doesn't have much mathematical significance.
 
Thanks guys for the reply. I am aware of the things you pointed out. As Erland said I should have been more specific on what I want. I am studying the representations of discrete groups for application in physics. Eigenvectors of group elements are significant in this context (for example the matrix that I wrote in the earlier post represents a rotation by 2pi/3 about the axis (1,1,1) and the axis (1,1,1) is an eigenvector). The problem of phase arises when I starts looking at complex eigenvectors for example (1, \omega,\omega^2). All I am saying is that a phase convention with one of the components real and positive is "appealing" to me (especially in the physics context) and so I want to know if such a choice is somehow special for a mathematian.
 
Ohh, I now notice something. Since my representation matrices are unitary, their eigenvalues are always in the form e^{i \theta}. For the matrix that I wrote in the first post, the eigenvalue (corresponding to the eigenvector (1,\omega, \omega^2)) is e^{i 2\pi/3}. So basically the "appealing" phase convention has all its components having phases just a multiple of the eigenvalue.

So let me make a hypothesis. Please let me know it is true.

Let e^{i \theta} be an eigenvalue for a special unitary matrix, U. We will always be able to choose a phase convention for the corresponding eigenvector so that all its components have a phase e^{i n \theta} where n is an integer.
 
Ok, I was wrong, I tried with random unitary matrices and it didn' t work. So let me modify my hypothesis.

Let U be a discrete unitary matrix, with U^n = I, where n is an integer. Its eigenvalues will be of the form e^{i m\frac {2\pi} {n}} where m is an integer. There exists a basis and a phase convention in which all the components of the eigenvectors are of the form | a_x | e^{i k_x\frac {2\pi}{n}} where k_x are integers.

Please let me know if the above statement is true. Thanks very much!
 
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