Einstein and Newton and gravity

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The discussion centers on the nature of gravity as described by General Relativity (GR) and Newtonian physics. Participants explore the differences and similarities between these two frameworks, considering their applicability in various contexts, including everyday scenarios and extreme conditions.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that according to GR, gravity is not a force but rather a result of spacetime curvature, while Newton describes gravity as a force.
  • One participant suggests that both theories are correct within their respective domains, with Newtonian gravity being sufficient for everyday objects and GR being necessary for understanding gravitational effects in extreme conditions.
  • Another participant notes that the mathematical formalism of Newton's theory treats gravity as a force, while in GR, gravity is described as objects moving in straight lines in spacetime.
  • It is mentioned that the predictions of both theories are experimentally indistinguishable under many conditions, but they diverge under extreme gravitational scenarios.
  • One participant introduces the concept of Newton-Cartan gravity, suggesting that Newtonian gravity can also be geometrized, which complicates the comparison between the two theories.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of gravity and the validity of each theory. While some agree that both theories have their merits, others highlight the complexities and nuances that prevent a straightforward resolution of who is "right."

Contextual Notes

The discussion acknowledges limitations in understanding the full implications of both theories, including the dependence on specific conditions and scales, as well as unresolved mathematical interpretations.

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According to GR gravity is not a force so what is gravity according to GR? And according to Newton gravity is a force. Who's right and why?
 
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hi there , this question has been up here many times , I'm sure doing a search in this forums history or google will reveal a lot of what you asked but to put it out for you

According to GR gravity is spacetime curvature , as to who is right and who is wrong well they both are right and they both are wrong , it depends on what scales and situations you look.
If you are concerned with everyday objects here on Earth Newton gravity is perfectly fine , if you want to understand and calculate the gravitational pulls exerted in space by massive objects like stars and big planets you take GR also GR is helpful in many other aspects , GR just goes deeper than Newton could in his time with his understanding , it takes on phenomenon like redshift and that mass can bend space just as much as energy can and so on.

Have you took a look on
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity ??
 
Ahmed Samra said:
According to GR gravity is not a force so what is gravity according to GR? And according to Newton gravity is a force. Who's right and why?

They're both right.

In the mathematical formalism of Newton's theory, gravity is represented as a force and its effects are described by the equation F=ma. In the mathematical formalism of GR, gravity is just objects moving in a straight line at a constant velocity as you'd expect them to do when there's no external force acting on them.

The predictions of the two theories are experimentally indistinguishable under a very wide range of conditions. They make different predictions across cosmological distances and under extreme gravitational conditions, and in those cases experiments generally support the GR prediction. Neither works when the masses involved are large and the distance and time scales are very small.

That makes them both right in their respective domains of applicability and only there, like any theory.
 
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Ahmed Samra said:
According to GR gravity is not a force so what is gravity according to GR? And according to Newton gravity is a force. Who's right and why?
This is not the difference between GR and Newtonian gravity. Because the force is proportional to mass Newtonian gravity can also be geometrized, this is called Newton Cartan gravity.
 

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