Einstein began looking for gravity in the electromagnetic waves

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The discussion centers around the historical context of Einstein's exploration of gravity, particularly in relation to electromagnetic waves and the potential unification of gravity with electromagnetism. Participants examine whether Einstein sought to explain gravity through electromagnetism or if he approached the relationship between the two concepts differently. The conversation touches on theoretical implications and historical attempts at unification, such as those by Kaluza and Klein.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims that Einstein began searching for an explanation of gravity in electromagnetic waves, questioning the relationship between gravity and the weak and strong forces.
  • Another participant challenges the initial claim, stating that Einstein did not attempt to explain gravity in terms of electromagnetism and expresses confusion about the original question.
  • A different participant suggests that Einstein aimed to unify electromagnetism and gravity by treating electromagnetism as a geometric concept rather than a field.
  • Another participant introduces the Kaluza-Klein theory as a historical attempt to unify gravity and electromagnetism, explaining the differences between general relativity and electromagnetism and mentioning the implications of an extra dimension in this context.
  • There is a mention of the gravitational coupling constant potentially being a scalar function rather than a constant, which raises further questions about the nature of gravity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding Einstein's intentions and methods in relating gravity to electromagnetism. There is no consensus on whether Einstein sought to unify these concepts or if he approached them separately.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the historical accuracy of claims regarding Einstein's work and the implications of Kaluza-Klein theory, indicating that assumptions about the nature of gravity and electromagnetism may not be fully resolved.

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I Read That Einstein Began Searching For An Explanation Of Gravity In The Em Waves...
I'm Not Aware That This Has Been Proven To Be Wrong.
I Only See That Em Has Been Related To The Weak Force..
Can Gravity Be Only After Em Waves Exist Or Does Gravity Exist At And Within The Weak And Strong Force Levels...
 
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Why Are You Writing Like This? It's very annoying. I'm also not sure what you're asking.

Einstein didn't try to explain gravity in terms of electromagnetism. I'll leave it for someone else to explain what he actually did.
 
im not 100% sure but i think Einstein didn't try and explain gravity with em waves, but tried to make e&m a geometry rather then a field so that gravity and e&m could be one in the same
 
Maybe you are referring to the attempt of Kaluza and Klein to unify gravity and electromagnetism ?

According to general relativity, the gravity field is not just another classical ordinary field; it represents space-time geometry. So the theory is a lot more besides the Einstein equations. This is very different from electromagnetism; here the vector potential is described by Maxwell's equations, and this field lives in ( the cotangent space of ) space-time, but doesn't affect it according to the Maxwell equations. Kaluza and Klein tried the following: assume an extra dimension in space time, and use this degree of freedom to incorporate the vector potential in this 5-dimensional space-time metric. Calculate again the variation of the Hilbert action, and see what happens. With a right choice of incorporation, the Einstein-Maxwell equations appear.

What is also very peculiar about this, is that there are derivatives of the gravitational coupling "constant" pop up. This suggests that maybe this coupling is not a constant, but could be a scalar function.
 

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