Einstein Tensors and Energy-Momentum Tensors as Operators

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of Einstein tensors and energy-momentum tensors, specifically whether they can be viewed as operators that take two elements (vectors) and produce a scalar output. The conversation explores theoretical implications and physical meanings associated with these tensors.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that tensors can be seen as operators on two elements, producing a scalar.
  • Another participant agrees that both tensors function as inputs of two four-dimensional vectors to yield a scalar, but notes that calling them 'operators' is unconventional.
  • A question is raised regarding which specific four vectors should be chosen for the tensors to yield a scalar with physical meaning, including considerations of covariant vectors and specific types of vectors like the 4-speed vector.
  • It is stated that for the energy-momentum tensor, any two vectors can be used to produce a meaningful scalar related to energy-momentum flux, while the physical significance of the Einstein tensor's output remains unclear and requires further input from others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the classification of tensors as operators and the conditions under which they produce physically meaningful results. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the physical significance of the Einstein tensor's output.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the types of vectors used with the tensors and the definitions of 'operators' in this context. The discussion highlights the need for clarity on the physical implications of the outputs from the tensors.

Alain De Vos
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Can these tensor be seen as operators on two elements.
So given two elements of something they produce something, for instance a scalar ?
 
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Yes, they are both functions that take two four-dimensional vectors as input and give a scalar as an output.
Although AFAIK there are no strict rules about this, it would be unconventional to call them 'operators'. From my observation, 'Operator' seems to usually be used to mean a function with one input that returns a result of the same type as the input (eg vector in and vector out, or scalar in and scalar out).
 
I wander, which four vectors do you have to choose for the tensors to operate upon in order for the resulting scalar to have an physical meaning.
Does it work on any two covariant vectors, only two and the same displacement vectors, the 4-speed vector ?
 
For the energy-momentum tensor ##T##, any two vectors can be used. ##T(\vec v_1,\vec v_2)## gives you the rate of flux, in direction ##\vec v_1##, of the energy-momentum item defined by ##\vec v_2##.
For the Einstein tensor it will also be any two vectors, but somebody else will need to tell you what the physical significance is.
 

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