Einstein Velocity Addition for Relative Speed Calculation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of Einstein's Velocity Addition formula in calculating relative speeds between multiple observers. Participants explore how different observers perceive the speeds of two objects moving at relativistic speeds, and whether the results are consistent across different frames of reference.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if two observers measure the speeds of two objects, they will arrive at the same relative speed when using the Einstein Velocity Addition formula.
  • Others question what specific aspect of the measurements is expected to be the same for all observers, indicating a need for clarification.
  • One participant asserts that if object A is moving at 0.5c relative to object B, then A will appear to move at 0.5c relative to all observers at rest with respect to B.
  • Another participant introduces a scenario where a third observer Z is moving at a speed relative to observer O, suggesting that A's speed relative to Z will not simply be the sum of their speeds, indicating a more complex relationship.
  • A later reply challenges participants to calculate the relative velocities using specific values, emphasizing the application of the velocity addition formula in practical scenarios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the consistency of relative speed measurements across different observers, with some asserting agreement on certain aspects while others highlight complexities that may lead to different results. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these calculations.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the observers' states of motion and the definitions of their velocities, which may affect the outcomes of the calculations discussed.

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Lets suppose we used Einstein Velocity Addition equation and we found a result this is the same for every observer isn't it ?
 
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I'm having some trouble understanding your question. What exactly do you expect to be the same for all observers?
 
An observer O observer o observes two objects letc call them a and b ad their speed a 0.5c and b 0 c so relative velocity is 0.5c İts for observer a than let's suppose there's another observer I am asking this another observer et call z will calculate relaitve speed 0.5 isn't it ? (Relative speed between A and B)
 
Yes. If observers x and y both observe objects A and B, determine the speeds of A and B relative to themselves, then calculate the speed of A relative to B, they will get the same answer.
 
Quarlep said:
An observer O observer o observes two objects letc call them a and b ad their speed a 0.5c and b 0 c so relative velocity is 0.5c İts for observer a than let's suppose there's another observer I am asking this another observer et call z will calculate relaitve speed 0.5 isn't it ? (Relative speed between A and B)

If A is moving at .5c relative to B, then A will be moving at .5c relative to all observers at rest relative to B.

If B is moving at some non-zero speed q relative to some third observer Z, then A's speed relative to Z will not be q+.5c and Z's measurement of the difference between the speed of A and B will not be .5c.
 
Quarlep said:
An observer O observer o observes two objects letc call them a and b ad their speed a 0.5c and b 0 c so relative velocity is 0.5c İts for observer a than let's suppose there's another observer I am asking this another observer et call z will calculate relaitve speed 0.5 isn't it ? (Relative speed between A and B)

Have you tried calculating it yourself? Suppose observer z is traveling at velocity 0.25c relative to observer o. Let va' and vb' be the velocities of a and b relative to z.

(a) What do you get for va' and vb' ?

(b) What do you get for the relative velocity vab' = (va' - vb') / (1 - va'vb'/c2) ?
 
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