Einstein's Intelligence Quiz ?

[unscientific]

Questions about IQ

Now now, some have said IQ is definite, fixed and can't be changed no matter what pig's or monkey's brain and tonics u eat. Some say IQ can be changed by doing puzzles, listeing to music ( Really? >_> ). In my opinion, I feel that IQ can't be changed. Now you must ask me one question, Why? The answer to this question is what u define IQ to be. I have come to believe that the speed of thought is oftenly mixed up with the level of intelligence or rather, IQ. What I think true IQ is; the ability to ask questions. The true, pure innate deep thinking. A simple question that everyone could solve, but it takes more than that to ask why is it like that? Is there a reason? If there is, why must it be? Are there other solutions? Peer intensely into problems, ask questions.

" The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity. "
Albert Einstein


"It does not matter who I am, but what i do that defines me. "

 

[davee123]

How are you guys solving this problem? I don't see a clear solution without using guess and check... You can't solve a riddle by guess and checking though - hell you already have a 1 in 5 chance of getting the correct answer.

You don't need to guess, it's just a bit complicated. And, in my opinion, poorly worded. The utterly WORST wording is clue #4, which states "The green house is on the left of the white house". What the clue actually MEANS is that the green house is to the immediate left of the white house. When I read this initially, I assumed it meant "the green house is somewhere to the left of the white house, not necessarily right next to it"

Also, clue #9 says "the first house", but "first" does not REALLY mean leftmost, it could mean rightmost (although I think the problem turns out with the same answer of the German owning the fish if you work this out)

The rest is just bad wording which could have been phrased more accurately. A restatement:

* There are 5 houses each of which is a different color
* In each house lives a person with a different nationality
* These 5 owners drink only a certain type of beverage, smoke only a certain brand of cigar, and keep only a certain type of pet
* No two owners have the same type of pet, smoke the same brand of cigar nor drink the same type of drink.

Here's the question: Who owns the fish?

1. The Brit lives in a red house
2. The Swede keeps dogs as pets
3. The Dane drinks tea
4. The green house is immediately to the left of the white house
5. The green house owner drinks coffee
6. The person who smokes Pall Mall owns pet birds
7. The owner of the yellow house smokes Dunhill
8. The man living in the house right in the middle drinks milk
9. The Norwegian lives in the leftmost house
10. The man who smokes Blend lives next door to the one who keeps cats.
11. The man who keeps horses lives next door to the man who smokes Dunhill
12. The owner who smokes Blue Master drinks beer
13. The German smokes Prince
14. The Norwegian lives next to the blue house
15. The man who smokes Blend has a neighbor who drinks water

Some say IQ can be changed by doing puzzles, listeing to music ( Really? >_> ). In my opinion, I feel that IQ can't be changed.

Alright, this IQ discussion really should be moved to a different forum, but... I think it most definitely *can* be changed, and *does* change. If you break down intelligence into its more discrete parts, you get neurons firing in resonse to various stimuli, and directing action. If your neurons started dying (for whatever reason), or stopped firing correctly, your intelligence *would* change.

I think what you're driving at, however, is a definition of intelligence that isn't defined by what you already know how to do, but by your capacity to learn, and your flexibility in learning it; and it sounds like that's how you want to measure intelligence, which is fine. Obviously we don't have a good mechanism for measuring it (or even more "accepted" definitions of IQ for that matter), but I agree it's an important part of intelligence.

DaveE

 

[billiards]

I did it! ~10-15 mins and about 10 cm² of paper. I think maybe 50% of people couldn't do this, no way 98%, it aint really that hard.

 

[iProLiFiK]

Supporting and contradicting evidence of Einstein creating this and 2% of the world being able to solve it.

Supporting: Well majority of people that have solved this probably only reach about 2 percent of the population but this is the internet, and it isn't exactly advertised.

Contradicting: This quiz was incredibly easy compared to most logic problems. Most people have figured it out within 30 minutes which shows it isn't some incredibly mind-racking problem.

In this new generation people are much smarter and much dumber. Those who are smarter and have strived to learn more will probably not find this that hard. As for "Intelligence" its the process of elimination, not very Intelligent.

I myself solved this in 5 minutes with a pen to write on my hand. The first time I mentally guess the order of the houses in color I was wrong, and I quickly fixed the problem checking my order with the questions. Once you determine who the nationalities are, they practically give you the answer.

Seriously, congrats to all who solved it but don't think don't think your Einstein. Though you still could be :)

 

[chaoseverlasting]

I solved the whole thing in about 10-15 minutes on a notepad.

 

[PMCS]

That was kinda interesting, a little too simple though.

 

[BillJx]

Solving it as stated was trivial. Just a matter of making a table and narrowing down the options. I did find several websites that said the correct answer is that it's impossible to say who, if anyone, has a fish.
On some of those sites, the wording is, "Who has fish?" or "Who keeps fish?" (note for non-native English speakers, the plural of "fish" is "fish".)

I'd say there's a error in the wording of the question. To ask "Who owns the fish?" implies that there is one, because "the" is a definite article. If the question were "Who owns a fish?" or just "Who keeps fish?" then it's a typical riddle with a trick answer.

Maybe it's in the translation from German. I can believe that Einstein could have come up with this to remind people not to make assumptions.

 

[AngeloG]

I did it in about 45 seconds in my head; I just read the first few clues and skipped the middle and read a few of the last clues heh.

 

[rocks]

Aww.. now I feel like a retard. I got it mostly right and quit after I thought I had the fish guy right. I was wrong. For some reason I came up with
Yellow Norwegian Water Dunhill FISH. I had it between fish and cats for him, but somehow I got fish. Sucks to be me..

 

[bassplayer142]

Is this iq test supposed to be done without guessing and checking. Or does one discovery lead to another and eventually lead to the answer.

 

[phoenixthoth]

Isn't "who owns the fish" a loaded question? I mean, the german could have a python. Shouldn't it say, "if someone owns a fish, then who owns it?"

 

[K.J.Healey]

I remember doing this in the 6th grade. I had never seen a logic problem before, and had no idea how to go about solving it. What i ended up doing was making grids of each topic vs another. Like smokes vs pet, or pet vs house. Each was on a separate piece of paper and i stacked them in 3d. I found soem way to make connections by flipping back and forth, it was pretty fun. Took me about an hour to solve but only cause it took forever to setup.

 

[keynespaul]

i got a diff answer

Color green blue yellow red white
Nationality Norwegian german swede Brit dane
Drink coffee water Milk beer tea
Cigar blend prince dunhill blue master pall mall
Pets fish cats dogs horses birds


Answer is :The Norwegian has the fish

 

[davee123]

Answer is :The Norwegian has the fish

The problem is that this violates one of the poorly written clues:

"4. The green house is on the left of the white house"

Note that if you assume "is on the left somewhere" rather than "immediately next to", then there are apparently two possible answers!

DaveE

 

[keynespaul]

hi davee,
I would like to bring out a point here, when we consider clue#10 and #11,"10. The man who smokes Blend lives next door to the one who keeps cats.
11. The man who keeps horses lives next door to the man who smokes Dunhill

so I still say my answer is right, the green house is the very next house on the left,einstein might have specified it has " the green house is the left next to the white house" --I still say your answer is ALSO right. :)

 

[CompuChip]

I remember doing this in the 6th grade. I had never seen a logic problem before, and had no idea how to go about solving it. What i ended up doing was making grids of each topic vs another. Like smokes vs pet, or pet vs house. Each was on a separate piece of paper and i stacked them in 3d. I found soem way to make connections by flipping back and forth, it was pretty fun. Took me about an hour to solve but only cause it took forever to setup.

That's what I would do too, but then more like this (Spoiler warning the linked page contains the solution to the puzzle!) :)

[edit]I copy/pasted the link from the Dutch version, I see only now that Einstein is also mentioned on the page, and in fact the puzzle is literally there. So I added a warning to the link. [/edit]

 

[keynespaul]

so does it mean the solution is an ambiguity ?? :) :) :) :)

 

[davee123]

so does it mean the solution is an ambiguity ?? :) :) :) :)

I think it probably means that:

1) Einstein didn't write it
2) This isn't the original phrasing of the question

The other possibilities might be that the question was MEANT to be ambiguous just to prove the point that it was unsolvable with a unique solution, or that whoever initially wrote the question was just lazy, which is similarly understandable.

DaveE

 

[mathwonk]

here is a simple intelligence quiz:

1) do you believe that you learn more going to class than not going to class?

2) do you miss class more than once a month?

3) how do you reconcile the answers to 1) and 2)?


i have more, on other topics, if you passed this one.

 

[BillJx]

here is a simple intelligence quiz:

1) do you believe that you learn more going to class than not going to class?

2) do you miss class more than once a month?

3) how do you reconcile the answers to 1) and 2)?


i have more, on other topics, if you passed this one.

1) Depends on the class. For some courses all the material is available outside of class, and the main advantage of the classroom method is that it keeps you on schedule. If you're well disciplined, you can make better use of your time at home, even without considering travel time. Some courses require interaction, or there's material that's only presented in class, or you find the course difficult and need the instructor to clarify things.

2) For two years I completed my BA by doing a full course load along with full time shift work. I missed lots of classes, used my holidays one day at a time for class, and did what I could by correspondence. I also did some of my studying at work. I graduated with honors. So it can be done.

3) You can reconcile a "no" to 1 and "yes" to 2, , but if your answer to 1 is "yes" then you have to attend classes or accept lower grades. Sometimes life doesn't really give you a choice. You do what you got to do. There are lots of single working mothers in college too. I don't know how they do it.

4) There are bonus questions; consider this a bonus answer. To do anything beyond the norm, the main thing you need is a warped sense of priorities.

 

[Werg22]

It's the German who lives in the green house (which is the 4th house), drinks coffee and smokes Prince

Solution:

1. The Brit lives in a red house
2. The Swede keeps dogs as pets
3. The Dane drinks tea
4. The green house is on the left of the white house
5. The green house owner drinks coffee
6. The person who smokes Pall Mall rears birds
7. The owner of the yellow house smokes Dunhill
8. The man living in the house right in the middle drinks milk
9. The Norwegian lives in the first house
10. The man who smokes Blend lives next door to the one who keeps cats.
11. The man who keeps horses lives next door to the man who smokes Dunhill
12. The owner who smokes Blue Master drinks beer
13. The German smokes Prince
14. The Norwegian lives next to the blue house
15. The man who smokes Blend has a neighbor who drinks water

- The Norwegian lives in the first house, point 9.
- From point 9 and 14, we can infer that the second house is the blue one.
- Looking at point 4, the Norwegian cannot live in either the green or white house. Since the Brit lives in the red house and we know he does not live in the blue house, the Norwegian lives in the yellow house.
- The Norwegian smokes Dunhill, from point 7.
- The man in the blue house keeps horses, point 11.
- Point 5 and 8 allows us to infer that the green house is on the fourth position.
- The white house is hence, point 4, on 5th position. The Brit lives in the middle in the red house and drinks milk, point 1 and 8.
- The person in the green house drinks coffee, point 5.
- Point 12 cannot apply to the Norwegian, nor the German, nor the British, nor the Dane. Hence the Swede smokes Blue Master and drinks beer.
- From point 15, the Swede cannot live in the blue house. If he did, point 15 could not apply anywhere. He can neither live in the green house since he drinks beer. Hence he lives in the white house.
- Point 15 makes the Dane living in the green house an impossible scenario: neither of his neighbors drinks water. Hence the Dane lives in the blue house and the German lives in the green house.
- From point 15, the Norwegian drinks water (the Brit drinks milk, it cannot be him).
- The only possible choice for point 6 is the Brit. Hence, the Brit smokes Pall Mall and keeps birds.
- From point 10, the Norwegian keeps cats.

Voila!

We now know that the Norwegian keeps cats, the Dane keeps horses, the Brit keeps birds and the Swede keeps dogs. The German is hence the one who keeps fish.

 

[Schrodinger's Dog]

here is a simple intelligence quiz:

1) do you believe that you learn more going to class than not going to class?

Depends do I have access to the internet or a library or several textbooks or a phone? And am I on a course that has no tutorial access except for the means given before.

2) do you miss class more than once a month?

Yes but the reasons are irrelevant and not often, I am my own student but still studying under a professional body.

3) how do you reconcile the answers to 1) and 2)?

I don't they are non correlatory given myself as an example, so on a subjective level they mean nothing.

i have more, on other topics, if you passed this one.

Good because that one kinda sucked and the irony is palpable

OP: This problem is now a semantic one as it always was, and it's solvable fairly easily once you know the truth or the right question, which is kinda the whole point I think

 

[Ruian]

your right...

No, it doesn't. The puzzle stated there are five animals only.

The only way you can justify your position is if the quiz knows of a six animal that the german could have that is not a fish, but there are not six animals.

So, you are assuming a clue that isn't stated in the puzzle!

This is a problem people have when taking quizzes: they apply the quiz to the real world. In the real world, there are many animals, but in the quiz world, there are only five.

This is a LOGIC PUZZLE therefore the clues are in there... and the question
"WHO OWNS THE FISH" ---> contains a clue

 

[phoenixthoth]

This is a LOGIC PUZZLE therefore the clues are in there... and the question
"WHO OWNS THE FISH" ---> contains a clue

Could be a loaded question with the answer "no one."

Maybe it should be, "if someone mentioned owns a fish, who is it?"

 

[Ruian]

you must consider the possibilities

hi,

hi davee,
I would like to bring out a point here, when we consider clue#10 and #11,"10. The man who smokes Blend lives next door to the one who keeps cats.
11. The man who keeps horses lives next door to the man who smokes Dunhill

so I still say my answer is right, the green house is the very next house on the left,einstein might have specified it has " the green house is the left next to the white house" --I still say your answer is ALSO right. :)

your reasoning is either right or wrong... you still must consider the fact that
davee has a good point. when I solved this problem I also considered both...
the green house is... and the green house is somewhere... this is a logic puzzle the clues are there but you must consider the possibilities... if you only considered one than many... then your solution might be correct or wrong. sorry for my grammar

 

[Ruian]

Could be a loaded question with the answer "no one."

Maybe it should be, "if someone mentioned owns a fish, who is it?"

may i refer you to #51. it explains the "The" and "a"

 

[rockytriton]

I've seen this "Einstein" puzzle before, it took me about 10 mins to figure it out, I don't think it's really hard. Especially since my mom figured it out pretty quickly as well, she just created an excel spreadsheet to figure out the logic.

I've seen things saying that if you can figure this puzzle out you are some kind of super genius, I think that's bogus, I'd say something more like, "If you can figure out this puzzle, you have the ability to concentrate for more than 10 minutes at a time", which is still pretty flattering nowadays.

 

[AaronDesselle]

I'd like to offer a suggestion and have it discussed... It hit me the first time I saw the very last clue.

First, here is my logic, feel free to point out how wrong it is:

1) If supposedly only 2% of the population will get this, then the obvious solution that most people get in 30 minutes on some scratch paper, probably isn't it.
2) According to the rules, no one drinks the same thing
3) Everyone on the planet drinks water... Einstein, or whoever the made this puzzle, knows that.


So when I read the last clue, I saw it as a trick question... Try finishing it without knowing what the fifth drink actually is.

I've read people's ideas about the fish not being mentioned in the actual clues, therefore the puzzle can't be solved, but I think that's just them trying to explain why only 2% would get such an easy logic puzzle. Obviously the fish is one of the pets, duh. This puzzle is not unsolvable, it's just really hard without the fifth drink. Water doesn't count.

-Aaron Desselle

 

[ill4tune]

i can honestly say that i found an abstract way to solve Einstein's Intelligence quiz. It took me around 30 minutes and i didn't make a single mistake.

 

[ill4tune]

How many people solved it?