Elastic Angular Momentum problem

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The problem involves an elastic collision between two identical billiard balls, where one ball strikes the other initially at rest and is deflected at a 45-degree angle. The task is to demonstrate that the second ball must move at a 90-degree angle to the first and with the same speed, utilizing principles of momentum and kinetic energy conservation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to establish equations based on momentum and kinetic energy conservation but expresses uncertainty about their correctness. Some participants question the use of trigonometric functions in the equations and suggest reevaluating the setup. Others provide guidance on structuring the problem by separating the before and after scenarios and applying conservation laws.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's equations, offering observations and suggestions for reevaluation. There is a focus on clarifying the relationships between the variables and ensuring the correct application of conservation principles. Multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being explored, and guidance has been provided on how to approach the problem systematically.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note potential confusion regarding the indexing of mass and the use of angles in radians. There is also mention of the need for clarity in the definitions of velocity components and their relationships in the context of the collision.

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Homework Statement


A billiard ball strikes an identical billiard ball initially at rest and is deflected 45 degrees from its original position. Show that if the collision is elastic, the other ball must move at 90 degrees to the first and with the same speed.

Homework Equations



Momentum:
mv = m1v1 + m2v2

Kinetic energy = 1/2m1v12 =1/2m1v12 + m2v22

The Attempt at a Solution



I think I've come up with three equations so far in breaking the problem up but I have no idea if I'm the right track or not. Any input is much appreciated.

1. Pfx=Pix
vxcos 45° + m2vxcos θ = v0

2. Pfy=Piy

vysin 45° - vysin θ = 0
vysin 45°=vysin θ

3. 1/2v02 = v12+v22
 
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Some observations:
If ##v_x## referrs to the x-component of velocity ##v## then why have you got it paired with trig functions?

If the balls are identical, then there is no need to index mass like that ##m_2## and that mass does not belong in the relation anyway.

If the initial momentum is ##m\vec{v}=mv\hat{\imath}## ...
And the final momentum is ##m\vec{v}_1+m\vec{v}_2## then you want the components in terms of ##v_1## and ##v_2##.

I also think you should be doing angles in radiens (get used to it).
Note: ##\sin(\pi/4)=\cos(\pi/4)=1/\sqrt{2}##
 
Thank you for your input, I'll have to back and reevaluate the equations I found. I set it up the way I did with the hope of eliminating and plugging unknowns into equations. I honestly am confused though on to best go about solving this problem...=/
 
All conservation problems are worked pretty much the same way - you write a heading "before" and sketch the situation. Then write the equations that describe what you drew.
Do the same for "after". Then state the conservation laws and apply them.

In this case:
before (one mass incoming along the x axis)
##p_x=mv##
##p_y=0##
##K=\frac{1}{2}mv^2##

after (the incoming mass is deflected by θ1=π/4 from the x axis.[*])
##p_x=v_1\cos(\theta_1)+v_2\cos(\theta_2)##
##p_y=\cdots##
##K=\cdots##

conservation of momentum[\b]
##p_{x,before} = p_{x,after}##
##p_{y,before}\cdots##

conservation of kinetic energy (elastic collision)
##K_{before}\cdots##

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[*] the trig depends on the geometry.
Note: if the first (incoming) ball is deflected by π/4, and the other ball makes an angle of π/2 to the first - then what angle does it make to the x-axis?
 
Violagirl said:
vxcos 45° + m2vxcos θ = v0
Do you mean
v1cos 45° + v2cos θ = v0
where v1 and v2 are the speeds of the balls after collision?
 

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