Elastic collisions formula help

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The discussion revolves around the formulas for velocities after elastic collisions, specifically focusing on the derivation of the equations for \( V_B \) and \( V_A \) in terms of initial velocities and masses. The subject area is mechanics, particularly the conservation of momentum and energy in elastic collisions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the derivation of the velocity equations, questioning the origins of the formulas and exploring the relationships between momentum and kinetic energy. There are attempts to manipulate the equations to isolate terms and understand the underlying principles.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively engaging in algebraic manipulation of the equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the steps to take in rearranging the equations, but there is no explicit consensus on the direction of the problem or its resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of potential energy in the context of the problem, focusing solely on kinetic energy. There is also uncertainty expressed about the overall direction of the discussion and the problem's progression.

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After some messey algebra it can be said that

V_B = (2 m_A V_o_A)/(m_A + m_B)

V_A = ( (M_A - M_B ) V_o_A )/(M_A + M_B)

were did this come from?

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I don't even know were to start
 
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were _B indicates a quantity realtive to B
and _A indicates a quantity realitve to A

and V_o is the intial velocity
 


That's for elastic collisions. It comes from solving the conservation of momentum and conservation of energy equations simultaneously.
 


ummm... hmm

ok... um so there is just kinetic energy? no potential and you had to solve for the velocities becasue these are the only terms the same in momentum and kinetic energy so... let's see.. um..
 


ok then

m_A V_o_A + m_B V_o_B = m_A V_A + m_B V_B

.5 m_A V_o_A^2 + .5 m_B V_o_B^2 = .5 m_A V_A^2 + .5 m_B V_B^2
 
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Yes. Now bring the terms that start with "m_A" to the left in both equations, bring the terms that start with "m_B" to the right in both equations, and see what you get.
 


oh ok hold up
 


m_A V_o_A + m_B V_o_B = m_A V_A + m_B V_B
m_A V_o_A - m_A V_A = m_B V_B - m_B V_o_B
m_A(V_o_A - V_A) = m_B (V_B - V_o_B )


.5 m_A V_o_A^2 + .5 m_B V_o_B^2 = .5 m_A V_A^2 + .5 m_B V_B^2
.5 m_A V_o_A^2 - .5 m_A V_A^2 = .5 m_B V_B^2 - .5 m_B V_o_B^2
.5 m_A (V_o_A^2 - V_A^2) = .5 m_B (V_B^2 - V_o_B^2)
 


i'm not really sure were this problem is going
 

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