Electric Bicycle with no Battery

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the feasibility and efficiency of an electric bicycle design that utilizes a generator at the pedals to directly power a wheel motor without any battery or power storage. Participants explore the implications of this design on performance, particularly in terms of efficiency and behavior on inclines and declines.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the practicality and worth of a generator-driven bicycle without a battery, seeking information on the system's efficiency.
  • Another participant shares experiences from similar experiments, noting that adding electrical loads can make pedaling increasingly difficult.
  • Some participants argue that a generator-driven system is less efficient than a traditional chain drive, citing the long-standing effectiveness of chain mechanisms in bicycles.
  • A participant estimates the efficiency of the generator and motor to be between 80-90%, but suggests that overall efficiency, including necessary components like a DC-DC converter, may only reach 55-70%.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the efficiency and practicality of the proposed system. While some agree that a chain drive is more efficient, others explore the potential benefits and challenges of the generator-driven approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall feasibility and efficiency of the concept.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions about efficiency and performance under different conditions, such as inclines and loads, but these aspects remain unresolved and depend on specific implementations.

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Hello, I am curious if this has been done, or would even be worthwhile.

The idea would be to use a generator at the pedal and conduct the electricity directly to a wheel motor with no power storage. This would eliminate gears and a chain. Does anyone know what the approximate efficiency of such a system would be?

How would this drive system behave when going up a steep hill? Would it act as an automatic gear reducer and vice versa when going downhill?
 
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I've seen similar experiments where students pedal on a bike to drive various electrical appliances and as more are added to the circuit it become difficult if not impossible to pedal because of the load.



Here's a DIY project on it:



Its cool but not as efficient as a straight chain drive. You can add a battery into the mix for more flexibility when you get tired of pedaling and that is the primary advantage over a straight chain drive.
 
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jedishrfu said:
Its cool but not as efficient as a straight chain drive.
absolutely. It's no surprise that the basics of the bicycle haven't changed since they introduced chain drive. With the fantastic number of ratios available on a bike, an infinitely variable gearing is hardly worth considering.
 
I would anticipate the generator and motor being 80-90% efficient at best. You would also need some sort of DC-DC converter/regulator/optimiser to replicate the effect of gears. That might be 90% efficient at best? So overall somewhere between say 55% and 70% overall? Your mileage may vary.
 

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