Electric charge, creating plasma and keeping it apart

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of using a negatively charged disc, insulated to prevent charge escape, to attract and contain positive ions generated by a device similar to a stun gun. The process involves creating plasma by ripping electrons from air molecules, resulting in positive ions that the disc could potentially hold. Key considerations include the necessary charge on the disc to effectively attract these ions and whether the volume of ions would be significant relative to the disc's size. The concept resembles a capacitor, raising questions about voltage handling and practical implementation.

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if you have a device similar to a stun gun, with a spark continuously jumping across the 2 contact points. electric field has to rip electrons from the air moecules leaving positive ions - creating plasma. now imagine you have a negatively charged disc nearby the device which is covered in a highly insulating material. is it practically possible to give the disc enough charge so that as the electrons are ripped from the air atoms, the disc attracts and collects the positive ions and repels the electrons and holds the positive ions not letting them escape? since the disc has a protective insulating cover, the charge cannot escape or neutralize with the positve ions so it would just hold them there. can this be done? how could you figure out how much charge the disc would need? would the maximum volume of these positive ions be significant at all compared to the size of the disc?
 
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Wouldn't it create a type of capacitor?

I doubt it would be able to handle such enormous voltages.
 
well i guess, sort of.
the method to charge the disc would be like a giant capacitor

as soon as the air molecules get ripped apart into positive ions and electrons, the electrons would get repelled away and the positive ions would be attracted and held onto by the negatively charged disc.

my question is if you can safely and practically contain enough charge on the disc in order to hold any significant volume of positive air ions.
 

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