[Electric Charge Force] I swear I'm doing this right.

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The discussion revolves around calculating the net electrostatic force on a charged particle (particle 7) influenced by six surrounding charged particles. The problem involves understanding electrostatic forces and vector components in a two-dimensional setup.

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  • Participants discuss breaking down the forces into x and y components and summing them to find the net force. There are questions about the correct method for calculating the magnitude of the resultant force vector, with references to the Pythagorean theorem.

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Participants are actively exploring the calculation methods and questioning the correctness of their results. Some have provided guidance on the proper approach to find the magnitude of the force vector, while others express confusion about discrepancies in their calculations.

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There is an indication of potential misunderstanding regarding the addition of force components and the calculation of magnitudes. Participants are also grappling with the implications of their results being incorrect despite following a systematic approach.

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In the figure below, six charged particles surround particle 7 at radial distances of either d = 1.0 cm or 2d, as drawn. The charges are q1 = +8e, q2 = +8e, q3 = +e, q4 = +8e, q5 = +8e, q6 = +4e, q7 = +4e, with e = 1.60 10-19 C. What is the magnitude of the net electrostatic force on particle 7?---2----
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1-7-3-4
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F = k(q1)(q2)/(r^2)
k = 8.99e9

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I split this up into x and y components, and then figured out the sum.

For the x, ƩF = |k(q7*q1)/(r^2) - k(q7*q3)/(r^2) - k(q7*q4)/(4(r^2))|
This simplifies to: |[k(q7)/(r^2)]*[q1-q3-q4/4]|
and so ƩF = |[4ke/(.01^2)]*e(8-1-8/4)| = 4ke/.0001*5e = 20k(e^2)/.0001

I used the same process for the y component. 2 and 5 cancel out since they have the same distance and charge, so the only charge I needed to calculate was for 6. F = k(q7)(q6)/(4(r^2))
This simplifies.. F = k(6e)(4e)/((4)(.0001)) = 6k(e^2)/.0001

Now I just have to add both components for the net charge...

Fx+Fy = 26k(e^2)/.0001 = 5.983744e-23 C

But it's wrong. And the weird thing is, when I calculate the charges separately, I get slightly different values - to different to be a simple rounding error.
 
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You added the components together, how is that magnitude?
 
1MileCrash said:
You added the components together, how is that magnitude?

D'oh. Pythagorean Theorom then?

edit: so, ([20k(e^2)/.0001]^2 + [6k(e^2)/.0001]^2)^.5 then?
 
Yes, you found the x and y components of the net force vector. The magnitude of that vector, is what you want. You can't add those coefficients of the unit vectors- they aren't like terms.
 
Ok, so I got [436(k^2)(e^4)/(10^-8)]^.5 which comes out to 4.8055e-23. This is still incorrect...
 

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