Electric Field and Coulombic Force: Effect of Halving Electrical Permittivity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effect of halving electrical permittivity on the coulombic force between two charges in an electric field. Participants explore the implications of this change within the context of electrostatics and the behavior of forces in different media.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation suggesting that if the electrical permittivity is halved, the force acting on the charges would double, but expresses uncertainty about the correctness of this conclusion.
  • Another participant agrees that halving the permittivity results in doubling the force, stating it as their understanding.
  • A different viewpoint is introduced, indicating that the force is maximum in a vacuum and that in a dielectric medium, the force is reduced due to induced electric fields.
  • Another participant clarifies that the term "permittivity" does not align with common English usage, emphasizing that higher permittivity corresponds to lower force, and reiterates that halving permittivity leads to a doubling of the coulombic force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between electrical permittivity and coulombic force, with some asserting that halving permittivity doubles the force, while others argue that the force is reduced in a dielectric medium. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully resolve the implications of their statements regarding the behavior of forces in different media, and there are assumptions about the definitions and effects of permittivity that are not explicitly clarified.

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Hi,

I was just wondering if you had an electric field which had the coulombic force acting on the two charges as:
F1= (1/4πε)*(q1q2/d2)
Then what would happen to the force if you placed the charges in a medium of half the electrical permittivity? I tried to solve this using ratios and got:

F1:F2 = (1/4πε)*(q1q2/d2) / (1/4π(1/2)ε)*(q1q2/d2)
= 1/ε / 2 /ε
= 1 / 2

F1/F2 = 1/2
2F1=F2

However this doesn't sound right. If you halved the electrical permittivity, would the force acting on the two charges double?
 
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\vec{F} = q \vec{E} = \frac{qq_1\hat{d}}{4\pi \epsilon d^2}

If \epsilon is half, the the force is double from my understanding.
 
The force is maximum in empty space. In a dielectric medium the force is reduced due to the electric fields induced in the material.
 
permitivity here is not the common sense english term. The word doesn't signify how much does the medium 'permits' the force to act.
In fact higher the permitivity lower the force.
Its true that half permitivity doubles coulumbic force
 

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