Electric field and Guass' Law question

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The forum discussion focuses on applying Gauss' Law to determine the electric field around an infinite line of charge and a hollow cylinder with a variable charge density of α*r. Users clarify that the charge density should be treated as charge per unit volume, leading to the conclusion that the units of α are Coulombs per meter^4. The discussion emphasizes the importance of using a cylindrical Gaussian surface to calculate the electric field in different regions: inside the cylinder (r < a), within the hollow cylinder (a < r < b), and outside the cylinder (r > b).

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  • #61
l1fesavers said:
Thanks so much to both of you for your amazing help! And even more amazing level of patience with both my ignorance and extremely rusty math haha

It's our pleasure, and you're welcome :)

You did just fine. And as always, practice makes perfect!
 
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  • #62
Hey guys, sorry I missed the grand finale here. Well done, l1fesavers!

Looking back over the last few posts, my only suggestion would be that you can do the whole problem using only Gauss's Law, without resorting to the superposition principle for the fields. All you have to do is think about the total charge enclosed in each area.

Region I contains only the line of charge
Region II contains the line of charge, plus part of the cylinder (out to radius r)
Region III contains the line of charge, plus the entire cylinder

In all cases, you take this total charge, and divide it by the area of the cylinder to get the field strength. Even in case II and III, where the charge is in two different pieces, it works. The superposition principle of the fields can be viewed of as a consequence of this fact.
 
  • #63
Also, E M C, now that I look at this again in the cold light of day, you're right about the units on \alpha. It's a quantity which let's you convert a distance into a density, so its units must be \frac{density}{distance} = \frac{\frac{charge}{m^3}}{m} = \frac{charge}{m^4}. I'm not sure why that wasn't making sense to me last night. That idea still wouldn't work for a case like \rho(r) = \alpha e^r, but I guess units only ever work when you're dealing with linear quantities, so that's not a big deal.

Sorry for the confusion!
 
  • #64
Okay so using "strictly" gauss' law I believe will look something like this:
(This is region two, a<r<b)

E = \dfrac{Q_{enc}}{\epsilon_{o}2\pi RL}
Q_{enc} = \dfrac{2 \alpha \pi L (r^3-a^3)}{3} + \lambda L

Writing out the Latex is daunting, but just substituting this Q_{enc} into the electric field equation should be correct?
 
  • #65
Yup, that should do it. You should find once you do the divisions, that you end up with the same result that you would have if you had gone all the way through the field calculations for each blob of charge separately, and then added the fields after the fact.
 
  • #66
Actually, I just wrote out the entire equation and it simplified right back to the superposition we were doing earlier, so that would confirm that it is the correct answer! ...i think

--edit--
Perfect! Again, thanks for the help.. and i'll be back hah
 

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