Electric field and Guass' Law question

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The discussion revolves around applying Gauss' Law to a problem involving an infinite line of charge and a surrounding hollow cylinder with a variable charge density. Participants are exploring the electric field in different regions defined by the geometry of the setup, specifically for regions inside and outside the cylinder.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss calculating the electric field from the line of charge and the implications of using Gauss' Law. There are attempts to derive the electric field in various regions and questions about the units of charge density and the nature of the charge distribution.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided insights into the nature of the problem, including the distinction between point charge and line charge scenarios. There is ongoing exploration of the charge density's units and how they relate to the variable density defined as alpha times the radius. Some participants are questioning assumptions about the charge distribution and the implications for calculating the electric field.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem, including the need to consider the charge density as a function of radius and the implications for calculating the electric field in different regions. There is a recognition of the need for dimensional analysis to understand the units of alpha in relation to the charge density.

  • #61
l1fesavers said:
Thanks so much to both of you for your amazing help! And even more amazing level of patience with both my ignorance and extremely rusty math haha

It's our pleasure, and you're welcome :)

You did just fine. And as always, practice makes perfect!
 
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  • #62
Hey guys, sorry I missed the grand finale here. Well done, l1fesavers!

Looking back over the last few posts, my only suggestion would be that you can do the whole problem using only Gauss's Law, without resorting to the superposition principle for the fields. All you have to do is think about the total charge enclosed in each area.

Region I contains only the line of charge
Region II contains the line of charge, plus part of the cylinder (out to radius r)
Region III contains the line of charge, plus the entire cylinder

In all cases, you take this total charge, and divide it by the area of the cylinder to get the field strength. Even in case II and III, where the charge is in two different pieces, it works. The superposition principle of the fields can be viewed of as a consequence of this fact.
 
  • #63
Also, E M C, now that I look at this again in the cold light of day, you're right about the units on \alpha. It's a quantity which let's you convert a distance into a density, so its units must be \frac{density}{distance} = \frac{\frac{charge}{m^3}}{m} = \frac{charge}{m^4}. I'm not sure why that wasn't making sense to me last night. That idea still wouldn't work for a case like \rho(r) = \alpha e^r, but I guess units only ever work when you're dealing with linear quantities, so that's not a big deal.

Sorry for the confusion!
 
  • #64
Okay so using "strictly" gauss' law I believe will look something like this:
(This is region two, a<r<b)

E = \dfrac{Q_{enc}}{\epsilon_{o}2\pi RL}
Q_{enc} = \dfrac{2 \alpha \pi L (r^3-a^3)}{3} + \lambda L

Writing out the Latex is daunting, but just substituting this Q_{enc} into the electric field equation should be correct?
 
  • #65
Yup, that should do it. You should find once you do the divisions, that you end up with the same result that you would have if you had gone all the way through the field calculations for each blob of charge separately, and then added the fields after the fact.
 
  • #66
Actually, I just wrote out the entire equation and it simplified right back to the superposition we were doing earlier, so that would confirm that it is the correct answer! ...i think

--edit--
Perfect! Again, thanks for the help.. and i'll be back hah
 

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