Electric field at a point inside a non-uniformly charged sphere

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric field at a point inside a non-uniformly charged sphere using Gauss's law. Participants are examining the implications of the original poster's approach and the correctness of the derived expressions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the electric field using Gauss's law and differentiation, but expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their result compared to the uniform case.
  • Some participants question the method of differentiation used by the original poster and suggest that integration may be necessary to correctly apply Gauss's law.
  • Others point out potential errors in the reasoning regarding the dependence of the electric field on the radius.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's approach and suggesting alternative methods. There is a focus on ensuring clarity regarding the application of Gauss's law and the necessary mathematical steps involved.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of applying Gauss's law to a non-uniform charge distribution, which may involve additional considerations compared to uniform distributions. The original poster's confusion about the results indicates a need for deeper exploration of the underlying principles.

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Homework Statement
What is electric field at distance $r$ from the center of a sphere of radius $R$ with the charge density $$\rho = \rho_0(R^2 - r^2)$$ where $$\rho_0$$ is a constant and $$r < R$$
Relevant Equations
$$\rho = \rho_0(R^2 - r^2)$$
$$q = \varepsilon_0 \int E.dA$$
My solution is this:
$$q = \varepsilon_0 \int E.dA$$
Based on gauss's law.

Taking the derivative of both sides with respect to $$A$$ we get:
$$\frac{dq}{dA} = \varepsilon_0 E$$
From chain rule:
$$\frac{dq}{dA} = \frac{\frac{dq}{dr}}{\frac{dA}{dr}}$$

On the other hand:
$$q = \int \rho dv = \int \rho \frac{dv}{dr} dr = \int \rho 4 \pi r^2 dr$$
Then the derivative of $$q$$ with respect to $$r$$ is $$\frac{dq}{dr} = \rho 4 \pi r^2$$

And $$A$$ equals $$4 \pi r^2$$, therefor $$\frac{dA}{dr} = 8 \pi r$$
Then we get:
$$\varepsilon_0 E = \frac{dq}{dA} = \frac{\rho 4 \pi r^2}{8 \pi r} = \frac{\rho}{2} r$$

So the electric field at a point within the sphere with distance $$r$$ from the center is
$$E = \frac{\rho}{2 \varepsilon_0} r$$

I don't have the answer to the question but this doesn't seem correct, because in a uniformly charged sphere where $$\rho$$ is $$\frac{Q}{\frac{4}{3} \pi R^3}$$, replacing that into the formula I geta
$$\frac{3 Q}{8 \pi \varepsilon_0 R^3} r$$ which is $$\frac{3}{2}$$ times the actual value $$\frac{Q}{4 \pi \varepsilon_0 R^3} r$$. What am I doing wrong?
 
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Understand Gauss’s law first. Then integrate instead of taking derivatives.
 
Necrolunatic said:
Taking the derivative of both sides with respect to $$A$$ we get:
$$\frac{dq}{dA} = \varepsilon_0 E$$
This is incorrect. You are effectively differentiating wrt the radius here based on what you do later, but the electric field also depends on the radius so you are missing derivatives.

Much easier is to just note that the rhs is ##\varepsilon_0 EA## and divide both sides by ##\varepsilon_0 A##.
 
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Orodruin said:
Much easier is to just note that the rhs is ##\varepsilon_0 EA## and divide both sides by ##\varepsilon_0 A##.
Wouldn't one have to integrate the lhs to get ##q## before dividing by ##\varepsilon_0 A##?
 
kuruman said:
Wouldn't one have to integrate the lhs to get ##q## before dividing by ##\varepsilon_0 A##?
Obviously you still have to do the integral to get ##q##.
 
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Orodruin said:
Obviously you still have to do the integral to get ##q##.
Judging from OP's initial approach to differentiate both sides, I wanted to make sure that it's also obvious to OP.
 
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Of course, this is integral (🤭) to understanding Gauss’ law.
 
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