Electric Field Calculation for Volume and Surface Charges?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of electric fields generated by volume and surface charges, specifically comparing approaches using Gauss' law and Coulomb's law. Participants explore integration techniques, the role of charge density, and the implications of spatial coordinates in calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the placement of r² in the integral when integrating charge density in Coulomb's law.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the electric field from an infinitesimal charge element is dependent on the variable of integration, suggesting that r and the unit vector cannot be taken outside the integral.
  • A participant expresses confusion about losing spatial coordinates after integrating the electric field of volume charges.
  • There is a request for an example that applies both Gauss' law and Coulomb's law to clarify the integration process.
  • Several participants suggest posting attempts at integration in the homework section for feedback and guidance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the integration process or the handling of spatial coordinates, indicating that multiple views and uncertainties remain in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential issues with the integration process, including the dependence on variable parameters and the implications of losing spatial coordinates, but do not resolve these concerns.

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This discussion may be useful for students and individuals interested in understanding electric field calculations, particularly those grappling with the differences between Gauss' law and Coulomb's law.

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Hello,

I know you can use Gauss' law to calculate the electric field of volume and surface charges but i cannot figure out a way to do it using Coloumb's law. I have several questions about this: when you integrate the charge density in Coloumb's law over the volume is the r^2 inside or outside the integral? is the unit vector necessary to calculate within the integral or is it allowed to drop the unit vector and obtain a scalar equation for the electric field's magnitude? Lastly, when I calculate the electric field of volume charges, i notice that after I integrate, I lose spatial coordinates with which to calculate the electric field at certain points in space.

I am sorry for the long post but I have been struggling with this for sometime.
 
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In Gauss' law the electric field in a certain point in space is a superposition from electric field due to infinitesimal charge element, The E field due to single element is the same as that due to a point charge ##k\frac{q}{r^2} \hat{\mathbf{r}}## - different charge element will have different ##r## and ##\hat{\mathbf{r}}##. This means, they are dependent on the variable of integration and hence cannot be taken outside the integral.
timothy ser said:
Lastly, when I calculate the electric field of volume charges, i notice that after I integrate, I lose spatial coordinates with which to calculate the electric field at certain points in space.
That cannot be true, you should check again your calculation.
 
Can somebody due an example with both Gauss' law and Coloumb's law?
 
Choose an example that you tried to do, preferably one that you already know the answer for, from Gauss's law or otherwise. Write up your attempt at integrating Coulomb's law for it, and post it in the homework section (even though it's not a class assignment). Then people can tell you what you did wrong and give hints on how to proceed.

https://www.physicsforums.com/forums/advanced-physics-homework.154/
 
thank you
 
jtbell said:
Write up your attempt at integrating Coulomb's law for it, and post it in the homework section (even though it's not a class assignment). Then people can tell you what you did wrong and give hints on how to proceed.

Seconded. Thread locked.
 

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