Electric field of a magnetic monopole

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of magnetic monopoles and dipoles in electric fields, exploring the forces experienced by these entities when in motion. Participants examine the analogy between electric and magnetic forces, particularly focusing on the differences in force experienced by monopoles versus dipoles in uniform electric fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a north magnetic monopole moving through a uniform electric field experiences an upward force due to the circular electric field created around it, while a south monopole experiences an opposite force.
  • Another participant questions why a magnetic dipole, formed from both north and south monopoles, does not experience a net force despite the opposing electric fields, unlike an electric dipole in a magnetic field.
  • Some participants argue that if magnetic monopoles are allowed, the forces on a dipole would be analogous to those on an electric dipole, implying that a dipole would not feel a net force but could experience torque.
  • Contradictory claims arise regarding whether a dipole magnet feels a net force when moving through a uniform electric field, with some stating it does not and others asserting it does.
  • One participant asserts that the forces on the north and south ends of a dipole cancel out, leading to no net force experienced by the dipole magnet.
  • Another participant mentions that the electric field produced by a moving magnetic dipole would be non-uniform, supporting the idea that the total force would cancel out.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement on whether a magnetic dipole experiences a net force in a uniform electric field, with some asserting it does not and others claiming it does. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of forces acting on dipoles versus monopoles.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the behavior of magnetic monopoles and dipoles in electric fields, particularly concerning the uniformity of the fields and the implications of their motion.

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A north magnetic monopole moving with uniform velocity through a uniform electric field would experience a force (assume the direction of the force to be upward along the x-axis) due to the circular electric field created around it. Similarly a south magnetic monopole would experience a force (opposite to that experienced by the N monopole) when moving through a electric field.

If we were to combine the N and S monopoles to form a dipole, the magnetic dipole would also experience a force similar to the force experienced by the monopoles.

My question is how is it that for the magnetic dipole the 2 opposing electric fields (caused by the N and S monopole) do not cancel each other such that no force is experienced by the magnetic dipole, which would be similar to the behaviour of an electric dipole which does not experience any force while moving through a magnetic field.
 
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If you allow for magnetic monopoles, the electric and magnetic forces are completely analogous. A dipole wouldn't feel a net force but it would feel some torque.
 
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Khashishi said:
If you allow for magnetic monopoles, the electric and magnetic forces are completely analogous. A dipole wouldn't feel a net force but it would feel some torque.

Thanks Khashishi of your reply and sorry I didn't respon earlier. In actuality a dipole magnet does feel a net force, implying that electric and magneic forces are not completely analogous
 
arul_k said:
In actuality a dipole magnet does feel a net force
No, it doesn't. A dipole magnet does not feel a net force when moving through a uniform electric field.
 
DaleSpam said:
No, it doesn't. A dipole magnet does not feel a net force when moving through a uniform electric field.

Why is there no net force experienced by the dipole magnet?

I was under the impression that a dipole magnet moving with uniform velocity (assume it to be a bar magnet and the direction of motion being along its polar axis) would have a uniform electric field (the direction of the field would also be uniform) along its length surrounding it, and would thus feel a net force when moving through an electric field.
 
Because in a dipole, the forces on the north and south end cancel out.
 
arul_k said:
I was under the impression that a dipole magnet moving with uniform velocity (assume it to be a bar magnet and the direction of motion being along its polar axis) would have a uniform electric field (the direction of the field would also be uniform) along its length surrounding it, and would thus feel a net force when moving through an electric field.
The electric field produced by a moving magnetic dipole would be non-uniform. As Khashishi said, the total force would cancel out.
 

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