Electric Field of a Polarized Sphere with Nonuniform Polarization

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The problem involves a sphere of radius R with a nonuniform polarization described by the vector function \(\vec{P} = k \vec{r}\). Participants are tasked with finding the bound charges and the electric field both inside and outside the sphere.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of bound charges using the divergence of polarization and the dot product with the normal vector. There is confusion regarding the treatment of the vector \(\vec{r}\) and its implications for the calculations.
  • Some participants question the validity of their results and the assumptions made during the integration process, particularly regarding the treatment of constants and variables in the integrals.
  • There is a mention of using Wolfram Alpha for integral evaluation, with concerns about the correctness of the results obtained.

Discussion Status

Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of the polarization vector and the calculation of bound charges. Participants are exploring different methods for integrating the electric field and are reflecting on the complexity of the integrals involved. There is no explicit consensus on the approach, and multiple interpretations are being considered.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem may involve assumptions about the nature of the polarization and the integration limits, which could affect the results. There is also mention of a textbook solution that appears to bypass certain integration steps, leading to further questions about the methodology.

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Homework Statement


A sphere of radius R carries a polarization of \vec{P} = k \vec{r}, where k is a constant and \vec{r} is the vector from the center.

Find the bopund charges, and the field inside and outside the sphere

Homework Equations


- \nabla \cdot \vec{P}
\sigma _b = \vec{P} \cdot \hat{n}
V = \frac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon _{0}} \oint _{S} \frac{1}{r} \vec{P} \cdot d \vec{a} - \frac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon _{0}} \int _{V} \frac{1}{r}( \nabla \cdot \vec{P}) dV

The Attempt at a Solution



Setting up the integral, I've used the displacement r = \sqrt{R^{2}+z^{2}-2Rz cos\theta} by lining the observation point up with the z axis, and having the polarization \vec{P} being orientated in any direction.

\sigma _b = \vec{P}(\vec{r}) \cdot \hat{n}, because of the fact that P is now a vector function dependent on the r vector, this leaves me confused. I think this confusion stems from the meaning of the \vec{r}.The \hat{r} stays constant at R, but the the \theta , \phi change.

And now on to the \rho _b = - \nabla \cdot \vec{P}. In spherical: \nabla \cdot \vec{P}(\vec{r})= = \frac{1}{r^2} \frac{ \partial}{ \partial r} (r^{2} P_{r}) = 3k r^{2}r \frac{1}{r^2}= 3k

This result seems off, but how can we take the dot product and divergence if we don't know anything about \vec{r}?

Unless we're just suppose to write down the general divergence theorem, leaving the components as P_r , P_{\theta}, P_{\phi}
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Where all the angles are constant and pulled out of the integral?
 
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You got \rho _b even though you didn't know it. You know a lot of things about \vec{r} in this case, since \vec{r}=r\hat{r}. It is only a function of r, so you can treat \nabla simply as \frac{ \partial}{ \partial r}. Your typing got ugly there, but \rho _b =-3k is correct once you differentiate.

You were close with \sigma _b = \vec{P}(\vec{r}) \cdot \hat{n} correct. In this case, the normal to the shell is in the radial direction, so \hat{n} = \hat{r} and you can take the dot product very easily, since \vec{r}=r\hat{r}. The bound surface charge is epomenically at the surface, so the magnitude of \vec{r} = R, the radius of the sphere.

So that's the first part of the question. Now you can try to to get part b using the equations you listed.

Hope that helps. Let me know if I can help more.

Dr Peter Vaughan
BASIS Peoria Physics
 
Thanks, it's interesting that I was so close, I wonder if it's luck or intuition :wink:

So, here it goes.

##\vec{P} \cdot \hat{n} = KR##

$$\frac{KR^3 }{2 \epsilon _0} \int ^{\pi}_{0} \frac{sin \theta '}{\sqrt{R^2+z^2-2RZcos \theta '}} d \theta ' + \frac{3K}{2 \pi \epsilon_0} \int ^{\pi}_0 \int ^{R}_0 \frac{R^2 sin \theta ' }{\sqrt{R^2+z^2-2RZcos \theta '}}dr d \theta ' $$

Evauliting the first integral gives the term $$\frac{KR^3 }{2 \epsilon _0} ( -\frac{\sqrt{(R-z)+(R+z)}}{Rz})$$, which should equal $$-\frac{KR^3}{z \epsilon _0}$$

The second term came out wrong, and I'm not exactly sure what happened.

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integrate&a=*C.integrate-_*Calculator.dflt-&f2=(x%5E%7B2%7D)%2F((x%5E2%2Bz%5E2-2*z*x*cos(a))%5E%7B1%2F2%7D)&f=Integral.integrand_(x%5E%7B2%7D)%2F((x%5E2%2Bz%5E2-2*z*x*cos(a))%5E%7B1%2F2%7D)&a=*FVarOpt.1-_**-.***Integral.rangestart-.*Integral.rangeend--.**Integral.variable---.*--

This is clearly wrong, unless I typed something screwy.
 
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That's messy math.

I'm not 100% clear on Wolfram Integrate notation, but it looks to my like you are treating R as a variable during integration of r. I believe it is a constant. Both your bound charge and surface charge turned out to be constants. This should make the integration very simple. You might want to check your text and see if there is a simpler form of V that you could be using when \sigma_b [\itex] and \rho_b [\itex] are constants. Electrostatics doesn't *usually* involve solving horribly messy integrals unless there's a typo in the problem.
 
Even though ##\sigma _b## ##\rho _b## are constants, the second integral still needs to be integrated over R, because R has to vary inside the sphere (this is a volume integral).

I admit that I peeked at the solution in the book, and it always seems to skip the integration, and it gives ##\vec{E}## from a different method, other than direct integration.
 

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