Electric field on a charge some height above the center of a disc

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The discussion focuses on calculating the electric field at a height 'h' above the center of a charged disc with radius 'R'. The key equation used is \( E = \frac{kQ}{d^2} \), where \( d \) is the distance from the charge to the disc. The charge density \( \sigma \) is defined as \( \sigma = \frac{Q}{A} \), and the integration of the electric field contributions from differential rings of the disc is crucial. Participants emphasize the importance of correctly handling differential elements and integrating properly to avoid errors in the final expression for the electric field.

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Homework Statement


Given a disc of radius 'R' with a charge 'h' above the center of the disc, find the electric field on the charge.

Homework Equations


##E = \frac{kQ}{d^2}##

The Attempt at a Solution


I can find the charge density from a ring then integrate over R:

##\sigma = \frac{Q}{A}##

##Area_{ring} = 2\pi r*dr##

##Q = \sigma * 2\pi r*dr##

Since the horizontal components cancel out, I'll take the cosine angle:

##E_y = \frac{kQ}{(h^2 + r^2)} * \frac{h}{\sqrt{h^2 + r^2}}##

##E_y = \frac{kh2\pi \sigma dr}{(h^2 + r^2)^{\frac{3}{2}}}##

##E_y = kh\pi \sigma \int_{0}^{R} \frac{2r dr}{(h^2 + r^2)^{\frac{3}{2}}}##

##E_y = kh\pi \sigma [\frac{-2}{\sqrt{h^2 + r^2}}]##

Integrate from 0 to R:

##E_y = kh\pi \sigma [\frac{-2}{\sqrt{h^2 + R^2}} + \frac{2}{h}]##

Re-substitute ##\sigma = \frac{Q}{A}##:

##E_y = kh\pi \frac{Q}{A} [\frac{-2}{\sqrt{h^2 + R^2}} + \frac{2}{h}]##

##E_y = kh\pi * \frac{Q}{2\pi r*dr} * [\frac{-2}{\sqrt{h^2 + R^2}} + \frac{2}{h}]##

I'm now stuck with this 'dr' in the denominator. Not sure what to do from here
 
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Is the disc charged? Is the charge above the disc very small?
 
You need to clean up your math. Your carelessness is leading to dumb mistakes.

PhizKid said:

Homework Statement


Given a disc of radius 'R' with a charge 'h' above the center of the disc, find the electric field on the charge.


Homework Equations


##E = \frac{kQ}{d^2}##


The Attempt at a Solution


I can find the charge density from a ring then integrate over R:

##\sigma = \frac{Q}{A}##
Think about what Q and A represent here.

##Area_{ring} = 2\pi r*dr##

##Q = \sigma * 2\pi r*dr##

Since the horizontal components cancel out, I'll take the cosine angle:

##E_y = \frac{kQ}{(h^2 + r^2)} * \frac{h}{\sqrt{h^2 + r^2}}##
You can't have lone differentials sitting around. You should have written
\begin{align*}
dA &= 2\pi r\,dr \\
dQ &= \sigma\,dA = 2\pi \sigma r \, dr \\
dE_y &= \frac{k\,dQ}{h^2+r^2} \frac{h}{\sqrt{h^2+r^2}} = \frac{2\pi hk \sigma r \, dr}{(h^2+r^2)^{3/2}}
\end{align*} If you have an infinitesimal quantity on one side of the equation, you have to have one on the other side as well.

##E_y = \frac{kh2\pi \sigma dr}{(h^2 + r^2)^{\frac{3}{2}}}##

##E_y = kh\pi \sigma \int_{0}^{R} \frac{2r dr}{(h^2 + r^2)^{\frac{3}{2}}}##
Look at those two lines. According to what you wrote,
$$\frac{kh2\pi \sigma dr}{(h^2 + r^2)^{\frac{3}{2}}} = kh\pi \sigma \int_{0}^{R} \frac{2r dr}{(h^2 + r^2)^{\frac{3}{2}}}$$ because both sides of the equation equal ##E_y##. The integration apparently does absolutely nothing.

Re-substitute ##\sigma = \frac{Q}{A}##:

##E_y = kh\pi \frac{Q}{A} [\frac{-2}{\sqrt{h^2 + R^2}} + \frac{2}{h}]##

##E_y = kh\pi * \frac{Q}{2\pi r*dr} * [\frac{-2}{\sqrt{h^2 + R^2}} + \frac{2}{h}]##

I'm now stuck with this 'dr' in the denominator. Not sure what to do from here
You need to think about what Q and A represent. Q is the charge of what? A is the area of what?
 
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