Electric field on a ring's axis

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric field along the axis of a charged ring. Participants explore the contributions of electric field segments and the cancellation of horizontal components due to symmetry.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the cancellation of horizontal components of the electric field and the necessity of diagrams to visualize the contributions from different segments of the ring. Questions arise about the mathematical justification for these cancellations and the integration of components.

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The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the calculations involved in determining the electric field components. Some guidance is provided regarding the use of symmetry arguments and the importance of visual aids, but no consensus has been reached on the specific calculations.

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Homework Statement
Find the electric field above ring's center
Relevant Equations
##d\vec{E}=\frac{dQ}{r^2}cos\theta \hat{z}##
The contribution coming from a little segment of the ring is ##d\vec{E}=\frac{dQ}{r^2}cos\theta \hat{z}##, assuming that the horizontal components cancel out. But how can we show that?
 
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Hello. Just to be clear, are you asking why the horizontal components of all of the ##d\vec E##'s cancel out?
 
Yes, the horizontal (radial) component of the field above the center.
 
OK. A good diagram is essential. Pick a small segment of the ring at the left side of the ring and draw the electric field vector produced by this segment at the location of the point above the center. Repeat for another segment at the right side of the ring (diametrically opposite to the segment at the left).
 
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This I understand. But how can we obtain that by calculation? In this case, the total field (counting only the vertical components) is ##\vec{E} = \int_{S}^{}\frac{\lambda* cos\theta\hat{z}}{R^2+z^2}ds## (S being the ring), where we can simply multiply the integrated function by ##2\pi R##. Why does not a similar calculation with ##sin\theta\hat{x}## instead of ##cos\theta\hat{z}## yield 0?
 
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The x-component of ##dE## for an arbitrary segment is not given by using a factor of just ##\sin \theta##

PF Charged ring July 2019.png


Show that the x-component of ##dE## shown above is ##-dE\sin\theta \cos \phi##. The net x-component is obtained by integrating with respect to ##\phi##.
 
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I have one more (related) question. In the attached exercise, to obtain ##E_{z}##, ##E## is multiplied by ##cos\psi##. Why is it so?
 

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Note that for the element of charge shown, the angle between ##d\vec E## and the z-axis is ##\psi##. So, you get the z-component of ##d \vec E## by multiplying ##dE## by ##\cos \psi##.
 
How can we determine the direction of dE (or E) in this example?
 
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assuming that the horizontal components cancel out. But how can we show that?
The usual way is by a symmetry argument. The arrangement has circular symmetry about the vertical axis, so the field must have that symmetry too.
 
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How can we determine the direction of dE (or E) in this example?
The element of charge can be considered a point charge.
##d \vec E## points radially away from the element of charge.

PF electric field of element of charge on a sphere.png
 
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