Electric field outside conductor if charge placed inside it

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The discussion revolves around a conductor with an inner radius R and an outer radius of 2R, where a charge q is placed at a distance d

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about whether the charge distribution will be uniform due to the off-center placement of charge q. Others question if the electric field outside the conductor is solely due to charge q or if it could be zero.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, considering the implications of Gauss's Law and the nature of charge distributions on both the inner and outer surfaces of the conductor. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the charge distribution and its effects on the electric field.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the conductor's outer surface is assumed to be spherical, and there is a discussion about the implications of having a net charge of zero on the shell while considering the induced charge distributions.

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Homework Statement


A conductor with inner radius R and outer radius 2R. A charge q is kept at a distance d<R but it is not at the centre. What will be the electric field outside the conductor? Will the charge distribution be uniform?


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The Attempt at a Solution


i actually have some answers but I'm not sure about them
i suppose charge distribution will not be uniform as q is not at the centre(but I am not sure)
electric field outside the conductor will be only due to q right? Or will it be zero (im confused)
 
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jd12345 said:

Homework Statement


A conductor with inner radius R and outer radius 2R. A charge q is kept at a distance d<R but it is not at the centre. What will be the electric field outside the conductor? Will the charge distribution be uniform?

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


i actually have some answers but I'm not sure about them
i suppose charge distribution will not be uniform as q is not at the centre(but I am not sure)
electric field outside the conductor will be only due to q right? Or will it be zero (im confused)
I'm assuming that the conductor's outer surface is a sphere.

Use Gauss's Law to help you answer your questions.

Try to give a more detailed justification for your answers so that we may better help you.
 
jd12345 said:

Homework Statement


A conductor with inner radius R and outer radius 2R. A charge q is kept at a distance d<R but it is not at the centre. What will be the electric field outside the conductor? Will the charge distribution be uniform?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


i actually have some answers but I'm not sure about them
i suppose charge distribution will not be uniform as q is not at the centre(but I am not sure)
electric field outside the conductor will be only due to q right? Or will it be zero (im confused)
This is a good problem to think about for awhile. There might also be an example within your textbook/coursework that can help you through this. So I won't give you direct hints. But I will give the following guidance:

There are two charge distributions to consider. There is the charge distribution on the inside surface of the shell and a different distribution on the outside surface of the shell.

You might ask, "Where do these charge distributions originate from?" The answer is basically this:
  1. The static electric field within a conductor (i.e. within the conducting material itself; inside the metal itself) is always zero.
  2. If a charge is brought near a conducting object, it will induce a surface charge distribution on the surface of the conducting object to ensure that the electric field in the conducting material itself is zero. The surface charge distribution will automatically arrange itself in whatever way it takes to ensure that that the electric field in the conductor is zero.

When considering the surface charge distribution on the interior of the shell, ask yourself, "Qualitatively speaking, what characteristics does the surface charge distribution have at r = R to force E = 0 in the region R < r < 2R?

For the charge distribution on the exterior of the shell, ask yourself the same thing, but also note that the shell itself is not charged. The net charge on the shell (including both inside and out) is zero. So if there is some charge on the inside of the shell, there must be an equal and opposite amount charge on the outside of the shell.

When considering the electric field outside the conductor, consider Gauss' Law. :wink:

[Edit: I see SammyS beat me to the response.]
 
Okay i am clear about the charge distribution at the interior and exterior of the conductor
But i have a doubt about the electric field outside the conductor

Gauss law states that Electric Flux = Charge enclosed / ε
Well the net charge inside is just q but you can't take out the electric field outside the integral of the electric flux because electric field is not unifrom outisde the sphere( as charge distribution on the sphere is not uniform)
 
jd12345 said:
Gauss law states that Electric Flux = Charge enclosed / ε
Well the net charge inside is just q
Yes,that's right. :approve:
but you can't take out the electric field outside the integral of the electric flux because electric field is not unifrom outisde the sphere( as charge distribution on the sphere is not uniform)
Wait, think about this some more. Remember the electric field inside the (metal) conducting material itself is 0. What sort of charge distribution on the outside of the outer surface of the shell would be required such that the electric field is zero on the inside? :wink:
 
Okay got it(after lot of thinkng) - at the inner surface charge distribution will be non-uniform. At the outer surface charge distribution will be uniform to keep the electric field zero inside the conductor.
So you can take out the electric field outsidee the integral and figure out the electric field
 

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