Electric Force problem involving HCl and Br- on coordinate axis

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the electric forces acting on a bromide ion in the presence of a hydrogen chloride (HCl) molecule, which has a partial positive charge on the hydrogen atom and a partial negative charge on the chlorine atom. Participants are exploring the implications of these charges on the forces experienced by the bromide ion, particularly in relation to coordinate axes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are considering the directions of forces acting on the bromide ion due to the HCl molecule, with some suggesting that the forces may cancel each other out. There is confusion regarding the role of the y-direction in this context, and questions are raised about the resultant force on the bromine atom.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance by suggesting that visual aids, such as drawings, may help clarify the positions and forces involved. The discussion is ongoing, with multiple interpretations of the forces being explored, particularly regarding the balance of attractive and repulsive forces.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the need to carefully read the problem statement, as all questions pertain to the forces acting on the bromine atom. Participants are also navigating the complexities of charge interactions and their implications for force direction.

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Homework Statement



A hydrogen chloride molecule (HCl) has a partial positive charge on the hydrogen atom and a partial negative charge on the chlorine atom. The HCl molecule is placed at

A.
There will be force on the bromide ion in the +x direction.

B.
There will be force on the bromide ion in the -x​ direction.

C.
There will be force on the bromide ion in the +y​
There will be no force on the bromide ion. The attractive force from the positively charged hydrogen will be canceled out by the repulsive force of the negatively charged chlorine.




Homework Equations


p=qd


The Attempt at a Solution


I might be overthinking this problem. I was thinking that the bromide ion be in the positive x-direction to attract it to the partial positive negative ion. I'm confused about how the y-direction might come into play in this problem. I was also thinking that these charges might cancel out because they are directly opposite of each other on the x-axis.
 
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Hi bbuilder, welcome to PF.

Make a drawing showing the position of the atoms, and draw arrows showing the magnitude and direction of the forces.


ehild
 
The negatively charged chloride is on the -x-axis. The positively charged hydrogen is on the chloride ion has a force on the bromide ion at a positive angle above the horizontal. The positively
 
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See the picture. As the HCl molecule is neutral, the positive charge on the hydrogen is equal in magnitude to that of the negative charge on the chlorine. As they are at equal distances from the bromine atom, both the hydrogen and the chlorine atom exert equal forces on the bromine, but the force of the hydrogen is attractive, that of the chlorine is repulsive. See the picture.

What is the direction of the resultant force on the bromine?

Read the problem carefully. All questions refer to the force applied on the bromine atom.

ehild.
 

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