Electric Potential/Potential Energy problem

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The discussion revolves around two problems involving electric potential and potential energy. The first problem concerns the distance of closest approach between two charged particles, while the second problem involves the motion of multiple charged particles released from rest at the vertices of a square.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of energy conservation principles to the first problem, questioning how to describe energy at the closest approach. There is also mention of the need for conservation of momentum. For the second problem, some participants suggest a similar approach to the first.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different aspects of the problems. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of energy conservation, but there is no explicit consensus on the methods to be used.

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Participants express uncertainty about their understanding of energy concepts, particularly in relation to mechanics, which may affect their ability to tackle the problems effectively.

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Homework Statement



a) From a large distance away, a particle of mass 6 grams and charge 54 μc is fired at 25 m/s to the right straight toward a second particle, originally stationary but free to move, with mass 13 grams and charge 22 μc. Find the distance of closest approach between the charges.

b) Four identical particles each have charge of 4 μC and mass 2 grams. They are released from rest at the vertices of a square of side 42 cm. How fast is each particle moving when their distance from the center of the square triples?

Homework Equations


a) ΔU + ΔK = 0
b) U=(kQ1Q2)/r , ΔU + ΔK = 0, K = (1/2)mv2, V = (KQ)/r

The Attempt at a Solution


a) not sure how to do this problem other than knowing that Vi = 25 m/s for the 6 gram particle and Vi = 0 for the 13 gram particle.
 
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jawhnay said:

Homework Statement



a) From a large distance away, a particle of mass 6 grams and charge 54 μc is fired at 25 m/s to the right straight toward a second particle, originally stationary but free to move, with mass 13 grams and charge 22 μc. Find the distance of closest approach between the charges.

b) Four identical particles each have charge of 4 μC and mass 2 grams. They are released from rest at the vertices of a square of side 42 cm. How fast is each particle moving when their distance from the center of the square triples?


Homework Equations


a) ΔU + ΔK = 0
b) U=(kQ1Q2)/r , ΔU + ΔK = 0, K = (1/2)mv2, V = (KQ)/r


The Attempt at a Solution


a) not sure how to do this problem other than knowing that Vi = 25 m/s for the 6 gram particle and Vi = 0 for the 13 gram particle.
For (a), how can you describe the energy at their closest approach?

(b) can be solved in a similar way.
 
I think (a) also requires conservation of momentum.
 
mfb said:
For (a), how can you describe the energy at their closest approach?

(b) can be solved in a similar way.

i'm not sure... my knowledge of energy is kind of rusty since i haven't taken mechanics in a while...
 
voko said:
I think (a) also requires conservation of momentum.
Right
jawhnay said:
i'm not sure... my knowledge of energy is kind of rusty since i haven't taken mechanics in a while...
Then you should try to fix that. While it is possible to solve it without the concept of energy, this would require solving differential equations, which is NOT easier.
 

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