Electric surface current on a PEC

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the boundary conditions for electromagnetic fields on the surface of a Perfect Electric Conductor (PEC), specifically addressing the implications of surface current density and its relationship to the magnetic field. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications regarding electromagnetic theory.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the tangential electric field vanishes on the surface of a PEC, while the tangential magnetic field experiences a discontinuity that generates surface current density.
  • One participant questions how the presence of surface current density affects the boundary conditions on the magnetic field, specifically why the condition is not expressed as zero when the net current is considered to be zero.
  • Another participant distinguishes between impressed currents and induced currents, suggesting that impressed currents are not carried by the charges in the PEC but by external agents, and that induced currents arise when an electric field is applied near the PEC.
  • A participant proposes that in the case of a plane wave incident on a PEC, the total magnetic field on the surface is double the incident field, which could be used to compute the electric surface current.
  • There is a challenge regarding the concept of "image current," with one participant expressing confusion over its existence in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of currents in the context of PECs, particularly regarding the distinction between impressed and induced currents. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the implications of these currents for boundary conditions.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of impressed and induced currents may not be fully articulated, and the discussion does not resolve the implications of these currents on boundary conditions.

EmilyRuck
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Hello!
When considering the boundary conditions for the electromagnetic field \mathbf{E}, \mathbf{H} on the surface of a Perfect Eletric Conductor we have:
  • \mathbf{E} \times \mathbf{\hat{n}} = 0
  • \mathbf{J}_S = \mathbf{\hat{n}} \times \mathbf{H}
the tangential electric field should vahish, while the tangential magnetic field is discontinuous and the discontinuity generates the surface current density.

The current density flows on the surface a PEC, so we can consider as an equivalent situation the superposition of \mathbf{J}_S and its image current, which is exactly opposite of \mathbf{J}_S: the net current is 0 (this argument is used in order to prove that an electric current flowing on a PEC does not radiate).

But doesn't this affect the boundary conditions on the magnetic field? If the current is zero, why the relative boundary condition is not written as 0 = \mathbf{\hat{n}} \times \mathbf{H}?!

Emily
 
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Thanks for the post! Sorry you aren't generating responses at the moment. Do you have any further information, come to any new conclusions or is it possible to reword the post?
 
EmilyRuck said:
The current density flows on the surface a PEC, so we can consider as an equivalent situation the superposition of \mathbf{J}_S and its image current, which is exactly opposite of \mathbf{J}_S: the net current is 0 (this argument is used in order to prove that an electric current flowing on a PEC does not radiate).

Emily

Not quite. I think you are confusing impressed currents and induced currents. impressed currents are not carried by the charges in the PEC; they are carried by external agents. When you impress an electric arbitrarily close to a PEC (like you might do when invoking equivalence theorems), it induces a current in the PEC that acts to effectively short out the current (reciprocity is a nice way to prove this).

For the rest of your question, consider the simple case of a plane wave normally incident on a plane PEC. The total H field on the surface is twice the incident field, which should allow you to compute the electric surface current on the PEC. This surface current on the PEC is radiating the reflected electromagnetic wave.

jason
 
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EmilyRuck said:
The current density flows on the surface a PEC, so we can consider as an equivalent situation the superposition of JS\mathbf{J}_S and its image current, which is exactly opposite of JS\mathbf{J}_S: the net current is 0 (this argument is used in order to prove that an electric current flowing on a PEC does not radiate).
What does this mean? There is no "image current".
 
Thank you for your answers and sorry for the great delay. It was misleading to me the fact that for several days there were no replies.
Thank you jasonRF for your complete and useful answers. For Meir Achuz: as said by jasonRF, I made a little confusion between impressed currents and induced currents.
 

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