Electrical Breakdown: What Causes Sparks, Lightning and St. Elmo's Fire?

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The discussion centers on the mechanisms behind electrical phenomena such as sparks, lightning, and St. Elmo's fire. Two primary explanations are presented: the first involves stray electrons being accelerated by a potential difference, leading to an avalanche effect of ionization; the second posits that a sufficiently high potential difference can ionize air directly, generating free charges that create a current. The consensus leans towards the second explanation, likening it to dielectric breakdown in capacitors.

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What's the mechanism behind things like sparks, lightning, St. Elmo's fire, etc.? I've heard two different explanations, both of which seem reasonable:

1) Stray electrons are accelerated by the potential difference created between eg the thundercloud and the ground. These electrons attain enough energy to ionize air molecules, creating more stray electrons which ionize more air molecules, and so on, creating an avalanche of electrons.

2) The potential difference is great enough to ionize the air (without needing say stray electrons), creating free charges which can then be accelerated by the potential difference to create a current.

Which one is right?
 
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I think it is the second one because it sounds similar to a dielectric breakdown in a capacitor.
 
dEdt said:
What's the mechanism behind things like sparks, lightning, St. Elmo's fire, etc.? I've heard two different explanations, both of which seem reasonable:

1) Stray electrons are accelerated by the potential difference created between eg the thundercloud and the ground. These electrons attain enough energy to ionize air molecules, creating more stray electrons which ionize more air molecules, and so on, creating an avalanche of electrons.

2) The potential difference is great enough to ionize the air (without needing say stray electrons), creating free charges which can then be accelerated by the potential difference to create a current.

Which one is right?

Please read my response in this thread:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=744778

Zz.
 

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