[Electrical force] Electrical charge in equilateral triangle

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electrical forces acting on charges positioned at the vertices of an equilateral triangle. Participants are exploring the application of geometric principles, particularly the Pythagorean theorem and the law of cosines, in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to calculate the resultant force on a charge by considering the forces exerted by other charges. There is a debate about the applicability of the Pythagorean theorem in non-right-angled triangles and the necessity of knowing specific angles for calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning the correctness of their approaches and the assumptions made about angles in the triangle. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of the law of cosines, and there is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity on angle measurements.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the angles in the equilateral triangle setup, particularly the angle gamma, which is critical for applying the law of cosines effectively. Participants are also reflecting on the implications of using the Pythagorean theorem in this scenario.

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Homework Statement
In each corner of equilateral triangle there is a charge with 5 nAs. What force works on the e3 charge (see image). Length of a side is 5 cm. e1 is charged with negative charge.
Relevant Equations
F = (1/(4*Pi*eps0))*(e*e)/r^2
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Not being a computer myself, I find that a bit hard to follow! Can you explain what you're doing?
 
F23 is a force on the 3rd charge from 2nd charge
F13 is a force on the 3rd charge from the 1st charge
Fr is a sum of both (Pythagorean theorem).
 
sea333 said:
F23 is a force on the 3rd charge from 2nd charge
F13 is a force on the 3rd charge from the 1st charge
Fr is a sum of both (Pythagorean theorem).
Doesn't Pythagoras only apply to right-angled triangles?
 
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PeroK said:
Doesn't Pythagoras only apply to right-angled triangles?
I will check if forces are right-angled
 
sea333 said:
I will check this
There is a generalisation called the "rule of cosines", which is very useful.
 
PeroK said:
There is a generalisation called the "rule of cosines", which is very useful.
I have used Cosines to calculate Fr and I still don't get the correct result:
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That's not right! Did you look up the rule of cosines?
 
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Should I use the Law of cosines ? c^{2}=a^{2}+b^{2}-2ab*cos
Then I would need angle gamma?
I have updated the picture
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Yes. ##\gamma## can only be one thing!
 
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I have used for gamma = 60 and got correct result but how do you know that gamma = 60 ?
I don't know why I thought that any of the angles is 90 degrees.
The correct result:
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If you want to use Pythagorean theorem or Cos/Sin function you need one angle to be 90 degrees.
 
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sea333 said:
how do you know that gamma = 60 ?
I looked at your diagram!
 

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