Electric force on the charge kept at the centre of a metallic shell

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The discussion revolves around the electric force experienced by a charge placed at the center of a metallic shell, exploring concepts related to electric fields, charge distribution, and Gauss's law.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants examine the implications of charge distribution on the electric field inside a conducting shell, questioning whether the electric field can be considered zero under various conditions. They discuss the application of Gauss's law and the nature of electric fields due to external charges.

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The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the assumptions made regarding charge distribution and the resulting electric fields. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of Gauss's law, but multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored without a clear consensus.

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Participants note the importance of specifying the Gaussian surface used in calculations and the implications of charge distribution on the electric field within the shell. There are references to the behavior of electric fields in conductors and the effects of external charges on internal electric fields.

  • #31
kuruman said:
So what is the argument that says that the picture as shown below cannot be the case? Try to be as specific as you can.

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Using ## \oint \vec E \cdot d \vec l =0 ## for the closed loop ABCA shown in the figure, where the part AB inside the cavity is along the direction of electric field, to calculate the magnitude of ## \vec E## inside the cavity, $$\oint \vec E \cdot d \vec l =0 $$$$ \int_A^B \vec E \cdot d \vec l + {\int_B^A }_{through~ C} \vec E \cdot d \vec l = 0$$$$ \int_A^B \vec E \cdot d \vec l = -{\int_B^A }_{~ through~ C} \vec E \cdot d \vec l $$

Now, ## {\int_B^A }_{through~ C} \vec E \cdot d \vec l = 0## as electric field inside the meat of conducting shell is 0.
Hence, $$ \int_A^B \vec E \cdot d \vec l = -{\int_B^A }_{through~ C} \vec E \cdot d \vec l = 0 ... (1)$$ As the part AB inside the cavity is along the direction of electric field, $$ \int_A^B \vec E \cdot d \vec l =\int_A^B E dl =0 $$$$\Rightarrow E = 0 \Rightarrow \vec E = \vec 0 $$

Hence, the above calculation and precisely, ## \oint \vec E \cdot d \vec l =0## says that there can be no electric field inside the shell.
 
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  • #32
Yes, that is the argument. Simply put without line integrals, electric field lines point from high to low electric potential. If there were an electric field line in the cavity from point A to point B, that would mean that point A is at higher potential than B. This contradicts the fact that all points on the conductor are at the same potential.
 
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Thanks for guiding me.
 
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