Electrical Forces help. Two questions

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The discussion revolves around two physics questions related to electrical forces and motion. The first question involves determining the closest approach of two charged particles, while the second question focuses on calculating the magnitude of charge on two beads accelerating towards each other due to their electrical interaction. The scope includes conceptual understanding and application of classical physics principles, particularly energy conservation and Coulomb's law.

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  • The original poster expresses uncertainty about their understanding of the two physics questions and seeks clarification.
  • Some participants suggest that the original poster explain their reasoning and approach to solving the problems to facilitate better assistance.
  • One participant outlines fundamental physics principles, including force, energy, and conservation laws, relevant to the questions posed.
  • Another participant proposes using the relationship between force, mass, and acceleration, along with Coulomb's law, to solve for the charge in the second question.
  • The original poster acknowledges a mistake in unit conversion for the second question and seeks further help for both questions, particularly the first one.
  • Another participant suggests using conservation of energy or the Work-energy theorem to approach the first question.

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Participants generally agree on the need to apply fundamental physics concepts to address the questions, but there is no consensus on the specific approaches or solutions to the problems presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct methods to find the answers.

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The original poster's understanding of the questions is influenced by their recent transition from physics 1 to physics 2, which may affect their grasp of the concepts involved. There are also noted limitations in the information provided for the first question, which may impact the ability to solve it accurately.

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Did a practice test but I would like to understand these two questions a bit more. I know the answers to both but that doesn't mean anything if i don't get it. Any help would be appreciated

A very small 4.8-g particle carrying a charge of +9.9 μC is fired with an initial speed of directly toward a second small 7.8-g particle carrying a charge of + The second particle is held fixed throughout this process. If these particles are initially very far apart, what is the closest they get to each other? (k = 1/4πε0 = 9.0 × 109 N • m2/C2)

Two tiny beads, each of mass 3.2 g, carry equal-magnitude charges. When they are placed 6.4 cm apart and released in outer space, they begin to accelerate toward each other at 538 m/s2. What is the magnitude of the charge on each bead? (k = 1/4πε0 = 9.0 × 109 N • m2/C2)
 
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Welcome to PF;
Those are great questions - please tell us how you understand them so we can see how best to help you.
i.e. there are a number approaches - how would you go about finding the answers and what is your reasoning along the way?
 
In Classical Physics
1. Force = mass x acceleration.
2. Energy = ½ x mass x (velocity²) = Force x distance = ...
3. Simple math requires Position(now) = Position(then) + (velocity(then))x(time interval between then and now) + ½ x acceleration x (time interval between then and now²)
4. Velocity(now) = velocity(then) + acceleration(between then and now) x (time interval)
5. Two common forces are electrical and gravitational. Both follow inverse square laws (in simple situations). The inverse square law is F = kPp/(r²) where F=force, k is a constant of Nature, r is distance between particles and P and p are quantities associated with the Law (mass or charge in these two cases) of Particle1 and particle2.
6. momentum = velocity x mass
7a. >>and most important<< energy (including potential energy) is conserved.
7b. >>and just as important<< momentum is conserved.
All the rest is algebra (and geometry).
 
Simon Bridge said:
Welcome to PF;
Those are great questions - please tell us how you understand them so we can see how best to help you.
i.e. there are a number approaches - how would you go about finding the answers and what is your reasoning along the way?

Its been over a year since I've taken physics 1. My practice was for physics 2 which I'm finally taking. All the other questions I was able to answer but these two seem to borrow concepts from physics 1 so I'm a bit clueless.

I figured for the second question, I'd solve for force=ma and then solve for the charges given coulombs law since I have the force. Thats what I'm doing but I'm not getting 890 nC which is the answer.

F= ( 3.2g)(538 m/s)
F=1721.5

F = kPp/(r²) and solve for P.

Edit: Forgot to change the units for question 2. I guess that's what happens when you take so long to take physics 2. Help would still be appreciated for question 1! I noticed I was missing information when I posted it.

A very small 4.8-g particle carrying a charge of +9.9 μC is fired with an initial speed 8.0 m/s of directly toward a second small 7.8-g particle carrying a charge of +5.2 μC + The second particle is held fixed throughout this process. If these particles are initially very far apart, what is the closest they get to each other? (k = 1/4πε0 = 9.0 × 109 N • m2/C2)
 
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Yah - for Q2 you can just use that the force is equal to the mass times acceleration - and Coulombs force law.
The other approach is to say that the force is proportional to the gradient of the potential energy.

Q1 uses conservation of energy - or the Work-energy theorem.
Start out by describing the initial and final conditions in terms of potential and kinetic energy.
 

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