Electricity & Magnetism: Induced E.M.F. & Current

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The problem involves two pairs of parallel conductors forming a square in a uniform magnetic field, which are moving with a constant velocity. The discussion focuses on whether the induced electromotive force (e.m.f.) and current are time-dependent or independent as the conductors move.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the motion of the conductors and its implications on induced e.m.f. and current. Questions arise about the definitions of resistance and how it might change as the conductors move. There is also exploration of the relationship between the induced e.m.f. and current, particularly regarding their time dependence.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning assumptions about the problem setup, particularly regarding the movement of the conductors and the nature of resistance. Some guidance is offered in the form of steps to analyze the problem, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct interpretation of the results.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted discrepancy between the original poster's calculations and the answers provided in a solution manual, leading to further questioning of the assumptions made about the system.

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Homework Statement


2 parallel long, straight conductors lie on a smooth plane surface. 2 other parallel conductors rest on them at right angles so as to form a square of side 'a' initially. A uniform magnetic field B exists at right angles to the plane containing the conductors. Now they start moving out with constant velocity v

a)Will the induced e.m.f. be time dependent?
b)Will the current be time dependent?


The Attempt at a Solution



The change in flux through the loop at any time 't' is given by
dΦ/dt = B x a x dx/dt where x is the length of the conductor inside the magnetic field.
so E = -Badx/dt = -Bav

As velocity is constant (time independent), the e.m.f. is time independent.

The current induced = -Bav/R which is also time independent.

The answer does not exactly match this :frown:
 
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Two questions.

1. When you say "they start moving", who is "they"? Two conductors or all four?
2. What is R? Specifically, what happens to R when "they start moving"?
 
1. I think all 4 start moving. I don't have a reason for it though.
2. R is the resistance of the conductors.

The answer says that emf induced is time dependent where as current is independent of time
 
Does the resistance R in your expression change as the conductors move? If so, how?
 
why would it change? I don't have any reason for it to change.
It depends on the length of the conductor which is constant.
 
Abdul Quadeer said:
why would it change? I don't have any reason for it to change.
It depends on the length of the conductor which is constant.
And how long is the conducting path along which the current runs?
 
OK I understood
So the resistance is given by
R = r(a + 2x), where r is the resistance per unit length.
What next?
 
Is the resistance constant?
 
No it is not. You can see it depends on the length of the conductor inside the magnetic field.
 
  • #10
So if the induced emf is time-independent and the resistance depends on time, what does that make the current?
 
  • #11
If I see the problem your way, current is time-dependent.

However, the answer given is -
Induced EMF- time dependent
Induced Current- time independent
 
  • #12
Abdul Quadeer said:
If I see the problem your way, current is time-dependent.

However, the answer given is -
Induced EMF- time dependent
Induced Current- time independent
The given answer makes no sense. Sometimes given answers are incorrect and I think this is one such case.
 
  • #13
I referred the solution manual and this is what is given:

a) Yes
instantaneous flux Φ = B(a + 2vt)2
therefore E = dΦ/dt = 4Bv(a+2vt)

b) No,
instantaneous current, i = E/R

Now R = 4(a+2vt)r where r = resistance per unit length
therefore i = 4Bv(a+2vt)/4r(a+2vt) = Bv/r which is a constant.

Hence the current will be time independent.

I could not understand this. Please explain if you understood.
 
  • #14
The answer in the manual is consistent with both pairs of bars moving relative to each other. Since you were not sure, I initially assumed that only one pair is moving. You can figure this out on your own. This is what you do.

1. Find an expression for the side of the square as a function of time t once the bars start moving.
2. Find an expression for the area of the square as a function of time t.
3. Use Faraday's Law to find the induced emf. This should answer question (a).
4. Find an expression for the perimeter of the square along which current runs as a function of time.
5. Find the resistance of the square R as a function of time.
6. Find the induced current using I = emf/R. This should answer question (b).
 
  • #15
I never did such a problem when all four conductors move relative to each other.
Its clear now anyways.
Thanks!
 

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