Electromagnetic Tensor: Vector Space Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the vector space to which the electromagnetic tensor belongs, exploring its mathematical structure and properties. Participants consider various theoretical frameworks and definitions related to the tensor in the context of physics and mathematics.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the electromagnetic tensor may belong to Minkowski space.
  • Others suggest that it could be associated with the vector space of 2-forms on flat 4D space-time.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about Minkowski space, leaning towards the vector space of 2-forms and questions the notation TM* ⊗ TM*.
  • A participant clarifies that T_x M* refers to the cotangent space of M at point x, which is the vector space of 1-forms, and discusses the relationship between higher forms and tensor products of the cotangent space.
  • Another participant describes the electromagnetic field tensor as an element of the space of two forms over the field of reals, noting its classification as type [0,2] antisymmetric tensors and the implications of different index placements.
  • There is mention of the Faraday tensor being represented in mixed form as type [1,1], and a discussion on the relationship between vector spaces and manifolds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific vector space of the electromagnetic tensor, with multiple competing views and interpretations presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the notation and definitions used, as well as the implications of different tensor types and their relationships to vector spaces and manifolds.

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Hey,

does anoyone of you know to which vector space the electromagnetic tensor belongs to?

thank you for your ideas...
 
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Assuming the vacuum case, then the vector space of 2-forms on flat 4D space-time ?
 
okay, i don't think that it is the minkowski space.

but the vector space of 2-forms sounds good.

i saw somewhere the notation: [tex]TM* \otimes TM*[/tex]

sorry, this does not work: TM* (tensorproduct) TM*

what does this T stand for, does anyone know? this space, could have something to do with the 2-forms, but i am not really sure.
 
[tex]T_x M^*[/tex] is called the cotangent space of [tex]M[/tex] at the point [tex]x[/tex]. It is the vector space of 1-forms. Higher forms are in the vector space made from tensor products of the cotangent space, so 2-forms are in [tex]T_x M^*\otimes T_x M^*[/tex].

When we write [tex]T M^*[/tex] we mean something different, but related. This is the cotangent bundle, which is the total space of the manifold [tex]M[/tex] together with the cotangent space at every point.
 
ah okay...thank you all
 
An electromagnetic field tensor, or Faraday tensor, F = Fuvdxvdxv is an element of the space of two forms over the field of reals, or a type [0,2] antisymmetric tensors. This is a subspace of all type [0,2] tensors, so any Faraday tensor with lower indeces is also a member of the space of type [0,2] tensors.

Sometimes the Faraday tensor is given with upper indeces. It is still antisymmetric but a member of the antisymmetric tensors over the field of reals, but with upper indeces, so is called a type [2,0] tensor.

Or it could be presented in mixed form, type [1,1]. A vector space doesn't need or involve a manifold in it's set of axioms but can, however, be identified with the tangent space of a point on a manifold, which fzero has discussed.
 
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