Electromotive force in constant flux

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The discussion revolves around the concept of electromotive force (EMF) in the context of a rectangular wire moving through a constant magnetic field. Participants are examining the implications of Faraday's law of induction, particularly the conditions under which EMF is generated when magnetic flux is constant.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the motion of the wire and the generation of EMF, questioning why EMF is produced despite the magnetic flux being constant. Some suggest examining the motion of each side of the rectangular loop and its interaction with the magnetic field.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering various perspectives on the generation of EMF. Some have provided links to external resources for further exploration, while others have raised questions about the validity of these resources. There is no explicit consensus yet, as multiple interpretations of the scenario are being considered.

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Participants are navigating assumptions about the behavior of magnetic fields and the conditions necessary for EMF generation, particularly in relation to the movement of the wire and the configuration of the circuit. The discussion includes references to specific laws and principles, such as Faraday's law and the Lorentz force.

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in book there is written that this turn will make electromotive force, but from faraday law we know that force generates only when flux is changing, what about this?
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and they say that it generates electromotive force, but flux is constant, why?
 
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Flux is being "cut"

use -v cross B for each infinitely small unit length dl

The velocity goes with r d(theta)/dt
 
Yo dawg, consider each side of the rectangular loop.
The top horizontal side "cuts" no flux cause it ain't got no balls.
The right side cuts flux so there IS an EMF cause it's one badass playa.
The left side cuts flux too and there IS an EMF generated but it's like you know consider the direction of the EMF innit.
They are like from different gangs, naam sayin'? They cancel each other out.

If you consider the scenario where the loop is entering or leaving the uniform field where just one of the rectangular sides are killing Flux in the name of Faraday, then there IS EMF. And you should also know that when entering and leaving the field, the EMFs cause a current in the loop which are in the opposite direction.
 
okay, thx, so just [tex]\mathcal E=-\frac{\mbox{d}\Phi}{\mbox{d}t}[/tex] for every small part of this thing?
 
this link don't work, is it paste good?
 
Consider the Lorenz force on each element dl of the rod (it is a conducting rod i.e. has "free" charges inside it):

FB = q(E + vB); each element moving in a constant speed, thus no net force on the element !

-> E = -vB; notice it is independent of the charge size !

if you path integrate the expression for the field generated by each element from 0 to L you will get the potential between to extreme points of the rod.
**Another way to solve this is to think the rod is connected to a wedge shaped circuit and use Ampere's Law to calculate the time change in magnetic flux (you need to make your area time depended)Tell us how you did :)
 

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