Electron in circular motion in B field problem check

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The problem involves an electron of mass Me and charge -e moving in a circular orbit within a uniform magnetic field B directed along the positive z-axis. The task is to find the radius R, angular frequency ω, and current I in terms of the given parameters, while working in CGS units.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to derive expressions for R, ω, and I using various equations related to forces and magnetic fields. Some participants question the validity of certain equations and the meaning of variables used, particularly the use of "c" in the context of CGS units.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaging in clarifying the relationships between the forces acting on the electron and the equations used. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the magnetic field's role in providing centripetal force, while others express confusion about the analysis and the definitions of certain terms.

Contextual Notes

There is a discussion about the use of CGS units versus SI units, and the potential confusion arising from the equations presented. The nature of the current being referenced is also under scrutiny, particularly whether it pertains to the current generated by the electron's circular motion.

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Homework Statement



An electron of mass Me, with charge -e, is in a circular orbit in the xy-plane. There is a uniform magnetic field B in the positive z direction. It is moving at constant velocity V.

Working in CGS units...

Find R in terms of Me, -e, v, and B

Find the angular frequency \omega.

Find the current I with the given parameters.

Homework Equations



F= (2IqV)/(rc2)

B= (2I)/(rc)

And i believe F = mv2/r = mr\omega ?

The Attempt at a Solution



My thought was to solve B= (2I)/(rc) for I, and substitute that quantity for the I in F= (2IqV)/(rc2) to get F = (B(-e)v)/c, and set that equal to the centripetal force mv2/r.

Through that subsitution i found r = Mevc / B(-e)

For the angular frequency i solved mv2/r = mr\omega for r=v\omega, substituded that into the equation for radius, and solved for \omega = B(-e) / Mec

For the current, i used I = Brc/2, and substituted the value i found for r into this equation, for I = Mevc2 / -e

I am somewhat confused, because i thought both the force on the moving electron and the centripetal force pointed in. Any guidance and/or clarification would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Centripetal force mv^2/r = mω^2/r
 
Whoops. Actually its F = mv2/r = mrw^2, though r = vw is still correct.
 
Yes.
And there is only one force is acting on the election. The same force can be expressed in two different ways.
 
So the magnetic field is the cause of the centripetal force?
 
Yes, it is.
 
Great, thanks! So my analysis is correct?
 
Maybe I'm being dense today, but I don't understand the analysis. Where did you get F= (2IqV)/(rc^2) and B= (2I)/(rc)? What does the "c" mean? The "standard" equation for F is qvB. This, along with F=mv^2/r and mw^2r, should be enough to answer the first and second questions. As for the third question, what current is it asking for? Is it the current produced by the lone electron going around in circles?
 
The F equation i used is for a test charge, in CGS units. "c" stands for the speed of light in this case. The B equation is the magnetic field this moving test charge produces.

So far as i can understand, u0, the permeability of free space, = (4*pi) / c, if that helps. The books I am following tends to work in CGS units, and not SI.

The test charge, which is an electron in this case, would be moving in the +x direction, and would experience the F i mentioned, in the -y direction, with the B i also mentioned, in the +z direction. This is straight from the textbook "Electricity and Magnetism" by Edward M Purcell.

Im not 100% certain on which current they are asking for, though i am just about 99% certain its the current produced by the lone electron going in circles, since a charge needs to be moving to create a current.
 

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