Electron Moving in a Uniform Magnetic Field

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The problem involves an electron moving through a uniform magnetic field, with specific components of velocity and magnetic field provided. The tasks include calculating the magnetic force on the electron and repeating the calculation for a proton with the same velocity.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to combine the velocity and magnetic field components into single magnitudes and angles before applying the force equation. Some participants suggest using the components directly for a simpler calculation.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different methods to calculate the magnetic force, with some questioning the correctness of angles and the approach of using components. There is acknowledgment of the need to consider the magnitude of the force and the implications of signs in the calculations.

Contextual Notes

No diagram is provided, and there is mention of the absence of an electric field in this scenario, which may influence the discussion on the Lorentz force.

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Homework Statement


An electron that has a velocity with x component 2.3 x 106 m/s and y component 2.9 x 106 m/s moves through a uniform magnetic field with x component 0.040 T and y component -0.12 T. (a) Find the magnitude of the magnetic force on the electron. (b) Repeat your calculation for a proton having the same velocity.


Homework Equations


F = q vXB


The Attempt at a Solution



Since both magnetic field and velocit were given in component form I figured they could be combined into one (meaning one for velocity and one for magnetic field). After doing

a = sqrt[ (ax)^2 + (ay)^2] for both V and B I got V =3.7 x10 ^6 m/s, angle = 5.158 degrees; B = 1.2649 x 10^-1, angle = -71.565.

Then I added the two angles (I figured their sum is the total difference b/w the B and V vectors?) and plugged in:

F = q v X B
F= (1.6 x 10^-19)(3.7 x 10^6)(1.2649 x 10^-1)sin (-66.407)
F = -6.862 x 10^-14 N

For part b) it should be the same # as the charge of the proton and electron is the same (only sign is different and we use absolute values in that equation).

I hope that my approach is ok, though, assuming my approach is ok I think I might have messed up the combining of the two angles. Any help/guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.

P.S. I thought I should mention that no diagram is provided. Thanks again.
 
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You got the angle wrong. Also, this is all much easier to do using the components. Both v and B are in the xy plane, so their cross product will have only a z-component. The z component of q(v x B) is just q(vxBy - vyBx).
 
dx said:
You got the angle wrong. Also, this is all much easier to do using the components. Both v and B are in the xy plane, so their cross product will have only a z-component. The z component of q(v x B) is just q(vxBy - vyBx).

Hmm by using that, I get an answer of -6.27 x 10^-14, which is incorrect...Just out of curiosity, what would be the correct angle, had I not realized that components were easier? Thanks again, especially for that godly-quick response.
 
They asked for the magnitude, so you should remove the minus sign.
 
Assuming you calculated the angle of each of the vectors correctly, the angle between them would be 71.565 + 5.158 = 76.723. Just draw a picture and it should be obvious why.
 
dx said:
Assuming you calculated the angle of each of the vectors correctly, the angle between them would be 71.565 + 5.158 = 76.723. Just draw a picture and it should be obvious why.

Duh! I can't believe I didn't see that! Also, the answer yielded with your method is correct. Thank you very much!
 
No problem.
 
what about the component qE of the lorentz force?
 
E is zero here.
 

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