Electronic Circuits - Calculate voltage

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The discussion revolves around calculating voltage in electronic circuits using Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) and other circuit rules. Participants are exploring how to express current and derive equations involving multiple resistors.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate voltage v1 but is unsure how to express current I3 correctly. They reference a video but struggle with scenarios involving two resistors. Other participants discuss the form of the equation and question the assumptions behind the relationships between currents and voltages.

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Some guidance has been offered regarding the steps to take and the importance of comparing them to the schematic. Participants are encouraged to analyze the reasoning behind the equations presented, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet.

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Participants note that the problem may require applying additional rules beyond KCL and Ohm's law, specifically the loop rule, to derive the necessary equations. There is an indication of confusion regarding the application of these rules in the context of the problem.

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TL;DR Summary: Electronic Circuits

How do I calculate the voltage v1 using KCL?

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I don't understand how I should express the current I3 to get the equation right.

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I already watched this video but I don't know what to do when there are two resistors.
 
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This is the equation I should be getting but I don't know how to get there
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The answer they give has the form of, I3 + I1 - I2 = 0 ;
Your I1 has the opposite circulation to their assumption.
Vx = 2 * V1 ;
I1 = ( 2 * V1 - V) / R ;
I2 = α * V1 ;
I3 = V1 / R .
 
Normally for HW type problems, we don't like to just give answers without some teaching.
So now that we have @Baluncore's suggestions, I suggest you look at each of his steps and compare to the schematic to see why/how he concluded each item. For example, why does Vx = 2 * V1, etc? Then see how those combine to give the equation you were supposed to derive.

Let us know if you are still confused. Do you think you could solve a similar problem yourself now?
 
agatha said:
This is the equation I should be getting but I don't know how to get there
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It is impossible to solve this problem using only two rules, the junction rule expressed by $$ I_1 + I_2 = I_3 $$ and the rule expressed by $$ v_1 = I_3 R $$ which is called Ohm’s law. Here must be applied one more rule, the loop rule (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchhoff's_circuit_laws). The equation $$ v - I_1 R - v_1 - v_1 = 0 $$ presents the loop rule for the left loop in the schematic diagram and after including it the final equation $$ \frac{v_1}{R} + \frac{2v_1-v}{R} - \alpha v_1 = 0 $$ will be got.
 

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