Electronic configuration of transition elements

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The discussion revolves around understanding the electronic configuration of transition elements, specifically focusing on how to determine the number of valence electrons and the principles governing electron arrangement in orbitals. The scope includes conceptual clarification and exploratory reasoning related to quantum mechanics and atomic structure.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about finding the number of valence electrons and seeks help, indicating they are learning independently.
  • Another participant suggests starting with the definition of valence electrons and questions the educational level of the inquirer.
  • A participant explains that valence electrons are those in the highest occupied shell and refers to the Aufbau principle for determining electronic configuration.
  • There is a discussion about the order of filling orbitals, with one participant asking why p or d orbitals are filled with single electrons before pairing them.
  • Another participant states that this filling order is a rule that can be accepted without further explanation, although advanced quantum mechanics can provide a rationale.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the principles of electronic configuration and the definition of valence electrons, but there is some uncertainty regarding the rationale behind the order of filling orbitals, with differing levels of explanation provided.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the statistical nature of quantum mechanics and the concept of electron clouds, which may require further understanding of probability and advanced quantum mechanics to fully grasp.

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I know about quantum numbers and how we do it as 1s,2s,2p,3s,3p,3d etc...but how do I find the number of valence electrons by doing this ?
I watched so many videos about this topic and I still don't get it.Possibly because I am trying to learn the portions before even it is taught at school.Can somebody please help me ?
P.S this is not homework.I am just learning things.
 
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Start with the definition of the valence electrons.
It took me a while to get it - most people seem to just memorize the rules.
What education level are you trying this at?
 
Simon Bridge said:
Start with the definition of the valence electrons.
It took me a while to get it - most people seem to just memorize the rules.
What education level are you trying this at?
I am just about to enter high school.But I think I can learn this soon if I I'm explained about this clearly.
 
It's actually a tad above your level... but like I say: because of the statistical nature of QM, the electron bound to an atom is well described as a cloud of charge.
You get ionic bonds where the cloud pokes out a bit to one side and you get covalent bonds when the clouds overlap so they surround both nuclei.
Look up "spherical harmonics".
To get a good picture you need to know about probability.
 
Docscientist said:
but how do I find the number of valence electrons by doing this ?

Every orbital holds two electrons, yes?

Do you know in what order electrons are placed on the orbitals? It is described by the Aufbau principle (google it, it happens to be quite simple).

Valence electrons are basically those on the latest occupied shell (the one with the highest principle quantum number).

Take any element. Use Aufbau principle to determine its electronic configuration. Count electrons on the latest shell.
 
Borek said:
Take any element. Use Aufbau principle to determine its electronic configuration. Count electrons on the latest shell.
I get it !. Thanks a ton !
And do you any idea why we fill up the p or d orbitals with single electron at first and then once the shells get over,then pair up the electrons by adding one more electron to each shell?
( I assume the shells are the boxes in the picture and orbital is the whole rectangular shape)
 

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Docscientist said:
And do you any idea why we fill up the p or d orbitals with single electron at first and then once the shells get over,then pair up the electrons by adding one more electron to each shell?

This is one of these rules you have to accept without any other explanation than "because that's the way it is". Sure, you can show (using advanced QM) that it makes sense, as these are the lowest energy electrons that can be added.
 
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Borek said:
This is one of these rules you have to accept without any other explanation than "because that's the way it is". Sure, you can show (using advanced QM) that it makes sense, as these are the lowest energy electrons that can be added.
Thank you,Borek !
 

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