Electronic gradient of Schroedinger Equation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the time-independent Schrödinger equation in the context of molecular systems, specifically focusing on the electronic gradient of the kinetic energy operator with respect to the coordinates of electrons. Participants explore the implications of differentiating the Schrödinger equation and the role of various operators within the Born-Oppenheimer approximation.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the gradient of the electronic kinetic energy (KE) operator with respect to the coordinate of electron i is zero.
  • Another participant agrees that the gradient is zero but emphasizes that the KE operator still acts on the derivative of the wavefunction.
  • A later reply reiterates that the KE operator does not disappear from the equation, as it operates on the gradient of the wavefunction.
  • One participant clarifies that the derivative and the kinetic energy operator commute, suggesting that this leads to the conclusion that the derivative of the KE operator vanishes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the notion that the gradient of the KE operator is zero, but there are nuances regarding its role in relation to the wavefunction and the implications of this result, indicating some level of disagreement or lack of clarity on the broader implications.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the treatment of operators and their derivatives, as well as the implications of the Born-Oppenheimer approximation in this context.

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Hi all. I have a question that I am thinking about for a couple of days. Let's consider the time-independent Schroedinger equation for a molecule:

H0 [psi> = E0 [psi>

Now, we know that the unperturbed Hamiltonian consist of electronic kinetic energy operator, electron-electron repulsion operator, electron-nuclear attraction operator, and nuclear-nuclear repulsion operator (Within the Born-Oppenheimer approximation).

If we differentiate both sides of the equation with respect to the coordinate of electron i, then we we need to consider only the gradients of electronic kinetic energy operator, electron-electron repulsion operator, electron-nuclear attraction operator, and the wave function.

My question is: Is the gradient of the electronic KE operator with respect to coordinate of electron i = 0?

Please let me know. Thanks.
 
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Yes, it is, but note that you don't get rid of the KE operator as the KE still works on the derivative of the wavefunction.
 
DrDu said:
Yes, it is, but note that you don't get rid of the KE operator as the KE still works on the derivative of the wavefunction.

Thanks a ton. Yes I understand that the KE operator still operates on the electronic gradient of the wavefunction. could you please give me a brief idea of how the gradient of KE operator with respect to electronic coordinate is zero. Thanks again.
 
Well, don't misunderstand me. I just meant that the derivative and the kinetic energy operator commute. You may take this to mean that the derivative of the KE operator vanishes.
 

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