Electronics Lab Prep: Filters & Transfer Functions

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of low-pass, bandpass, and high-pass filters, specifically focusing on deriving their transfer functions H(ω) and understanding their behavior in terms of resonance and impedance. Participants are preparing for an electronics lab and are exploring the relationships between input and output voltages as functions of angular frequency.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to derive the transfer functions for different filter types and express them in terms of angular frequency. There are discussions about simplifying these functions and relating them to power response functions. Questions arise regarding the implications of resonance and how it affects the transfer function values.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in simplifying their transfer functions and are sharing insights. There is an ongoing exploration of the concept of resonance, with various interpretations being discussed. Guidance has been provided regarding the conditions for resonance and the behavior of the transfer function around that point.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that they are preparing for an upcoming lab and are breaking down the concepts into manageable parts for discussion. There is an acknowledgment of the need for further clarification on specific aspects of resonance and its implications in filter circuits.

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Homework Statement



Figures 1 (a), (b), and (c) show low-pass, bandpass, and high-pass filters. Write the transfer function H(ω) for each of these filters, showing the ratio Vout/Vin as a function of the angular frequency ω of the input voltage.

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-The low-pass filter calculations:
Show that the low-pass filter in Fig. 1 (a) above has a power response function:

|H(ω)|2 = \frac{ω_0^4}{(ω_0^2-ω^2)^2+ω^2(R/L)^2}, where ω0 = \frac{1}{\sqrt{LC}}

Homework Equations



Treating the filters as voltage dividers with impedances instead of resistances:

Vout/Vin=\frac{Z_2}{Z_2+Z_1}

The Attempt at a Solution



To be clear, these aren't actually homework problems. I have my electronics lab on Thursday and I am trying to prepare for it beforehand as much as possible. I believe putting the transfer functions together is rather straight forward. I am having a hard time equating the low pass filter with the form they provided though.

(a) H(ω) = \frac{\frac{1}{jωC}}{R+jωL+\frac{1}{jωC}}

(b) H(ω) = \frac{R}{R+jωL+\frac{1}{jωC}}

(c) H(ω) = \frac{jωL}{R+jωL+\frac{1}{jωC}}

There is more to the lab that I am having trouble with but I guess it would be better to take it one step at a time and break it into different posts for different concepts.

Any suggestions are welcome. Thank you!
 
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oddjobmj said:

Homework Statement



Figures 1 (a), (b), and (c) show low-pass, bandpass, and high-pass filters. Write the transfer function H(ω) for each of these filters, showing the ratio Vout/Vin as a function of the angular frequency ω of the input voltage.
-The low-pass filter calculations:
Show that the low-pass filter in Fig. 1 (a) above has a power response function:

|H(ω)|2 = \frac{ω_0^4}{(ω_0^2-ω^2)^2+ω^2(R/L)^2}, where ω0 = \frac{1}{\sqrt{LC}}

Homework Equations



Treating the filters as voltage dividers with impedances instead of resistances:

Vout/Vin=\frac{Z_2}{Z_2+Z_1}

The Attempt at a Solution



To be clear, these aren't actually homework problems. I have my electronics lab on Thursday and I am trying to prepare for it beforehand as much as possible. I believe putting the transfer functions together is rather straight forward. I am having a hard time equating the low pass filter with the form they provided though.

(a) H(ω) = \frac{\frac{1}{jωC}}{R+jωL+\frac{1}{jωC}}

(b) H(ω) = \frac{R}{R+jωL+\frac{1}{jωC}}

(c) H(ω) = \frac{jωL}{R+jωL+\frac{1}{jωC}}

There is more to the lab that I am having trouble with but I guess it would be better to take it one step at a time and break it into different posts for different concepts.

Any suggestions are welcome. Thank you!

Your H(ω)-s are correct, but you can simplify them by multiplying both the numerator and denominator by jωC. Use the notation ω02=1/(LC).
The problem asks |H(ω)|2. What have you got? The given answer might be wrong. ehild
 
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Ah, great! The simplification was enough to get me there, actually. After finding |H(ω)|2 I was able to get to the suggested solution. Thank you for the tip on using ω02 also, that helped quite a bit!

Since that wasn't as difficult as I expected I'll post a couple more related pieces here if that's okay:

"Does resonance occur near ω=ω0? Explain why or why not."

When ω=ω0, |H(ω)|2=\frac{ω^2L^2}{R^2}

I'm not sure what to make of this though. How do I relate this to capacitive and inductive reactance?
 
If there is a resonance, what should happen to the value of H(w) when w-->w0 from either direction on the w axis?
 
Hmm, well, I know what -does- happen in this case. I'm not sure what -should- happen in the case of resonance. I do recall that you can have higher output voltages than input so I guess H(w), being the ratio of out/in, would be greater than 1.

Anywho, thanks for the hint!
 
You're getting there. You need to think about what the graph function would look like around the resonance in addition to the value of H(w) at the resonance. At the resonance, you would expect the value of H(w) to be at a local maximum. How can you determine if your function is at a maximum? Have you had calculus yet?
What would be the value of the derivative dH(w) / dt at…
The resonance…
before the resonance
after the resonance.
 
Check your notes/book what is called resonance in an electric circuit. Usually resonance is defined at the frequency when the input impedance is real. It is not sure that |H| > 1. At what frequency is it the highest? What is the condition that the maximum |H| is greater than 1?

ehild
 

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