Electrons have to move -- why?

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The discussion revolves around the movement of electrons between energy levels, exploring the mechanisms behind this phenomenon and the nature of energy levels themselves. Participants engage in conceptual clarifications and metaphors to illustrate their points, touching on energy absorption and the behavior of electrons in different states.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that electrons move between energy levels as a consequence of energy absorption, questioning the phrasing of "have to" as it implies a necessity rather than a natural occurrence.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of energy levels, with some participants seeking clarification on what differentiates low from high energy levels.
  • One participant proposes a metaphor comparing electrons to people choosing between a low energy state (watching a movie) and a high energy state (exercising), suggesting that electrons prefer lower energy states.
  • Several participants mention that electrons become excited when photons are present, leading to transitions to higher energy states, and they return to lower states by releasing energy, often in the form of electromagnetic waves.
  • Humorous analogies are made regarding electrons' behavior, likening their transitions to social situations and personal choices, but these remain metaphorical and do not resolve the underlying scientific questions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic mechanism of electron movement related to energy absorption and release, but there are differing views on the implications of this behavior and the interpretation of energy levels. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the deeper understanding of why electrons behave this way.

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Some statements reflect assumptions about the nature of energy levels and the behavior of electrons that are not fully explored or defined, leaving room for further inquiry.

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Why? And how? Electrons has to move from one energy level to another?
 
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The movement of electrons from one state to another is an observed phenomenon, so I'm not sure what you mean by "why do they have to?" They don't "have to", they just do, as a consequence of energy absorption. Physics is an attempt to understand why they do it. "have to" is metaphysics or philosophy.
 
Thanks for reply, I read electrons move from low energy level to high energy level by gaining electrons and vice versa,now my question is what is that energy level ?and what differentiates low from high energy ?
 
Not by gaining electrons, by absorbing photons.

The energy levels correspond to possible states of the (bound) electron - basically if you add energy (a photon) then the electron moves to a higher energy state.

I guess this may not be what you're after so maybe you want to clarify your question.
 
Lets think of it as a person who wants to watch a movie on the couch vs exercise in the gym. Couch is a low energy state and most people want to be there, If any external energy is given than a person might want to get out and exercise. Electrons are the same way, they want to be on the low energy state. It is just easier :)
 
Electrons get excited when photons turn up, otherwise like madphdstudent said, they prefer to slouch on the couch.
 
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rootone said:
Electrons get excited when photons turn up, otherwise like madphdstudent said, they prefer to slouch on the couch.
And usually some time after getiing all excited with the new photon, they get tired, get rid of it and back on the couch.
 
wabbit said:
And usually some time after getiing all excited with the new photon, they get tired, get rid of it and back on the couch.
Until a really serious rent collector photon comes along and kicks them out entirely.
But in most of those cases they make a neutrino issue out of it, and they get accepted into a more hospitable community.
 
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rootone said:
Until a really serious rent collector photon comes along and kicks them out entirely.
But in most of those cases they make a neutrino issue out of it, and they get accepted into a more hospitable community.
They only do that in their moments of weakness.
 
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wabbit said:
They only do that in their moments of weakness.
True, In the end it comes down to whether the nucleus is that bothered about it.,
Some of them would disintegrate,, because they just had enough of that.
Others would put up with it for a while.
 
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when electrons are exiced they absorb energy so they jump to a higher orbit(shell), when they go into lower shells they release energy in the form of electromagnetic waves.

When a mentor like @phinds answers a question I recommend liking his reply to show your appreciation.
 
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lonely_nucleus said:
when electrons are exiced they absorb energy so they jump to a higher orbit(shell), when they go into lower shells they release energy in the form of electromagnetic waves.

When a mentor like @phinds answers a question I recommend liking his reply to show your appreciation.
Thank you, but actually, I'm not a mentor ... more like the local wise-ass :smile:
 
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phinds said:
Thank you, but actually, I'm not a mentor ... more like the local wise-ass :smile:
ahaha that made me laugh friend.
 

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