Electrospray ionisation

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The discussion centers around the process of electrospray ionisation, specifically how applying a high voltage to a sample causes particles to gain a proton (H+) and become charged ions. Participants seek to clarify the mechanism behind this process and its implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant cites a chemistry book's description of electrospray ionisation but seeks a detailed explanation of how voltage causes particles to gain H+ ions.
  • Another participant questions the accuracy of the book's description, suggesting that droplets leaving a high-voltage nozzle become charged due to the presence of extra or missing electrons, and that H+ ions are just one way to maintain charge balance.
  • A participant with a mathematical background expresses confusion about the charging of droplets and asks for a simplified explanation of how H+ ions interact with the sample.
  • One reply explains that high voltage leads to charge separation, which results in droplets acquiring charge, and discusses how protons can attach to molecules with free electron pairs, noting that this can sometimes lead to molecular decomposition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanism of charge acquisition in electrospray ionisation, with no consensus reached on the accuracy of the initial description or the role of H+ ions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the interactions involved in electrospray ionisation, including the potential for molecular decomposition when protons attach to certain molecules. There is an acknowledgment of the need for further clarification on the underlying principles.

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In my Chemistry book, the following is said:

Electrospray ionisation - the sample is dissolved and pushed through a small nozzle at high pressure. A high voltage is applied to it, causing each particle to gain an ##H^{+}## ion. The sample is turned into a gas made up of positive ions.

I really would like a step by step explanation of the above. How does applying a voltage to the sample cause each particle to gain an ##H^{+}## ion?
 
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In no way that's my area of expertise, but I don't think it is an accurate description.

Imagine a droplet leaving a nozzle - if the nozzle is at a high voltage, most droplets will be charged. That means they have an extra electron (or several), or they miss an electron (or several). These extra electrons (or non-electrons ;) ) have to be "stored" somewhere in the droplet. Unbalanced H+ are one way of the charged droplet to keep the charge (common one, no doubt about it), but definitely not the only one.
 
Okay. I am basically a math guy that is trying to get into science.

If the nozzle is at a high voltage, the droplets will be charged. why?

I understand the extra/missing electrons when charged.

How does the ##H^+## "attach" itself to the sample?

Really explain your post like you are trying to explain it to a 5 year old. I am that level.
 
hmparticle9 said:
If the nozzle is at a high voltage, the droplets will be charged. why?

Physics 101 - basically high voltage always means charge separation (that's how you create a voltage - by moving charges apart, every joule of energy spent to move away a coulomb of charge produces 1 volt). If there is a voltage between two electrodes you can be sure both these electrodes have some extra charge on them. Identical charges repel, so charge carriers will happily jump on leaving droplets.

hmparticle9 said:
How does the ##H^+## "attach" itself to the sample?

More like it is somewhere "inside" of the sample.

Some molecules have groups with free electron pairs (water molecule for example, doesn't mean it is charged) which can reasonably easily accommodate a proton (which is what H+ actually is). These are places where an extra positive charge in the form of proton will most likely land. But in many cases these extra charges will disrupt something and will start some kind of decomposition of the molecule.
 

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