Electrostatic potential using method of images

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The problem involves determining the electrostatic potential drop between a point at a distance d from an infinite conducting plane and the plane itself, with a charge q influencing the potential. The context is rooted in electrostatics and the method of images.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss integrating the electric field to find the potential drop and question the relationship between potential and the units involved. There is also a mention of using a charge -q to model the situation and the implications of the boundary condition on the conducting plane.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confusion regarding the integration process and the resulting units, while others suggest that the integration of the electric field is necessary to determine the potential difference. There is an ongoing exploration of the validity of the worked solutions referenced and the clarity of the statements made in those solutions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential discrepancies in the textbook and the implications for calculating resistance, indicating a need to scrutinize the provided examples closely. There is also a concern about the ambiguity in the integration context mentioned in the solutions.

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Homework Statement



There is a charge q, at a distance d from an infinite conducting plane (z=0).
Determine the electrostatic potential drop between the z=0 and z=d.

Homework Equations



Ohm's Law
DeltaV=-integral (E.dl)


The Attempt at a Solution



I know how to do this problem, using J = sigma E, Ohm's law, model the situation with a charge -q at z=-d, find the electric field, then integrate over the line to find an expression for the potential function V(z). I know I can integrate this potential function over the line now to find the potential drop, using the boundary condition that V=0 on the conducting plane.
The one thing I don't understand is the units. If I have a potential in Volts, and I integrate over a line, how can it result in a potential drop? Wouldn't it be V m?

Thanks in advance
 
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Wouldn't the potential drop (or difference) just be V(d)-V(0)? Integrating the electrostatic potential V(z) from z=0 to z=d, would give you the change in electrostatic energy (sometimes confusingly referred to as electrostatic potential energy).
 
I thought that too, but from the worked solutions I get the potential as:

$$V(z) = \frac{I}{4\pi \sigma z} - \frac{I}{4\pi \sigma (2d - z)}$$

Where sigma is conductivity.
It goes on to say: "by integrating this expression between the real source and the metal boundary, we could obtain an expression for the potential drop deltaV, and dividing this by the currnt would give resistance."

I thought it was a mistake, but this online source says the same (para three):
http://physicspages.com/2011/10/08/curl-potential-in-electrostatics/

Is this all just wrong?
 
tomwilliam2 said:
I thought that too, but from the worked solutions I get the potential as:

$$V(z) = \frac{I}{4\pi \sigma z} - \frac{I}{4\pi \sigma (2d - z)}$$

Where sigma is conductivity.
It goes on to say: "by integrating this expression between the real source and the metal boundary, we could obtain an expression for the potential drop deltaV, and dividing this by the currnt would give resistance."

Looking up worked solutions is not the same as solving a problem yourself. You'll get much more out of doing the latter.

In any case, the beginning of the statement "by integrating this expression" is ambiguous without context that allows one to determine which expression they are talking about integrating. I suspect it is the electric field they are integrating to get the potential drop or difference.

I thought it was a mistake, but this online source says the same (para three):
http://physicspages.com/2011/10/08/curl-potential-in-electrostatics/

Is this all just wrong?

Here they are definitely talking about integrating the electric field, not the potential. This should be clear from the equation in the middle of the paragraph.

[tex]V(b) - V(a) = -\int_a^b \mathbf{E} \cdot d\mathbf{l}[/tex]
 
Thanks for the help.
I think my textbook has a mistake in it...that's why when it uses the final expression to calculate resistance it comes out in Ohm metres.

It was worth going through the worked example with a fine toothcomb after all!
 

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